[DOTA] Allowable and Unallowable Dota Strategies

[nitromon]

Considering none of the mods have said anything about bear only being banned or not, i doubt it is

I wish so, because it means I can get these 3 toxic players banned for votekick abuse:

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This is the thread I mentioned earlier. I used the bear only strategy and my teammates flamed and tried to votekick me. I posted the ban request for a votekick abuse, but was instructed that bear only strategy is bannable and so it justified their votekick abuse.

[EdgeOfChaos]

4 divines Spectre is a terrible build because you have no attack speed and no HP. Spectre has low natural HP so you can ulti (I dunno if they carry divine damage, maybe not since its not stats) but they can just kill the 1000 HP illusion tbh, or disable it and run. Really, people overestimate divine rapier, 300 damage isn't actually *that* op. Even if it didn't drop on death, I would still take The Butterfly over it every time.

Arc warden remains the absolute best Rapier user in the game. He fully transfers everything to the illusion (which is actually a hero, not an illusion). He can't lose the rapiers. And he has his big evasion field thing so that he can't be autoed to death. He has a really solid base attack speed which is buffed by the field, and a heavy slow to chase. Plus the illusion can use any sort of damage-enhancing item like Manta Style or MoM, which spec illusions cannot do. I'm glad they patched this in the new DotA 2 patch, since it really is broken!

[Dhamma]

This is the thread I mentioned earlier. I used the bear only strategy and my teammates flamed and tried to votekick me. I posted the ban request for a votekick abuse, but was instructed that bear only strategy is bannable and so it justified their votekick abuse.

wow that is funny! clearly it's a legitimate strategy that can work well. Not every build can work well, but depending on the game, even "bad" builds like ethereal dagon on BS can do well, he just can't hard carry that game for example.

You should add a poll to this. This seems just a shady area created by admins, as they don't want to take a clear stance on this. Technically there is no rule against bear only strategy. Nor should there be one, the is rule about trolling/afking is about gameplay.

[Sylvanas]

(I dunno if they carry divine damage, maybe not since its not stats)

They don't. Illusions don't get flat damage bonuses, just base damage from primary attribute.

[nitromon]

You should add a poll to this. This seems just a shady area created by admins, as they don't want to take a clear stance on this. Technically there is no rule against bear only strategy. Nor should there be one, the is rule about trolling/afking is about gameplay.

How do you add a poll?

I think there needs to be a more clear cut understanding of the rules. The 3 commentators in that ban thread are obviously the 3 I was trying to ban. They don't even have the balls to admit who they are b/c they've never read the rules. They didnt' try to kick me because they knew the bear only build is not allowed, they tried to kick me b/c they claimed in the chat I was game ruining even though later I clearly proven I was playing for serious and even the Sentinels acknowledged it.

I mean I think bear only built is far different than a 5 battlefury build or a blink dagger on a blinker. But that's the difficulty of this topic, at what point is it considered game ruining or is it just being creative? For example, I've seen POTMs get lothar. But I don't think that's wrong. The global invisible has quite a long CD, at times POTM may just want to invisible herself and get the IAS and movement speed. Now if clinkz get a lothar... it is questionable. Some say, allow it, if the player want to be a moron... but then when is it a game ruin for their team?

The only final solution is that often at times it has to be a case by case. If the accusers can prove game ruining or the defendant cannot justify their build.

[Merex]

Enough with the drama. I'm not going to have this suggestion de-rail from it's initial purpose.

Speaking of which, I'm curious to know what the actual point of this thread was. Are you suggesting something or are you discussing something?

If I need to say it for you - No. The syllabear strategy is not ban-able on ENT nor do we punish anyone who uses it. The moderator in question who stated such was not speaking the truth and the ENT administration/management will deal with that area.

So unless there is an actual suggestion here, I am going to archive or move this topic.

[nitromon]

Enough with the drama. I'm not going to have this suggestion de-rail from it's initial purpose.

Speaking of which, I'm curious to know what the actual point of this thread was. Are you suggesting something or are you discussing something?

If I need to say it for you - No. The syllabear strategy is not ban-able on ENT nor do we punish anyone who uses it. The moderator in question who stated such was not speaking the truth and the ENT administration/management will deal with that area.

So unless there is an actual suggestion here, I am going to archive or move this topic.

Sorry, I apologize.

The point is kind of gone now you stated it is not bannable to play bear only build. Originally I was informed it was bannable and suggested to start a debate on "which" strategies are bannable and why, as to updating the wiki rules page, so it would be clear to other players. To be honest, I was kind of concerned that some other strategies and styles are somehow "unspokenly" banned. I didn't want to accidentally break any rules not on the wiki.

But your new information changed a lot of things. I like the moderator who addressed the topic, he seems like a very nice and reasonable person, so I hope I didn't get him in trouble or anything. It was his suggestion to start this debate even if he was mistaken about the bear build.

However, since the bear only build is allowed, then may I ask you to examine this ban request again? These 3 people were abusing the votekick and pause system. If my build is legit, then their votekick abuse was not justified.

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Thank you.

[Merex]

I'll look into the ban request myself.

Any and all rules/guidelines will be stated on the wiki page. I recommend using that as your reference for the future. Be cautious though that certain areas of gameplay that aren't specifically stated can be seen as a rule violation according to our general rule section. For example -
Tiny tossing an ally into a group of enemies intentionally - Seen as teamkill/game-ruining by general ruling and so forth. Use common knowledge when applying this factor.

Situation cleared. Archiving topic.