[Rules] Handling of Votekick Abuse

[aRt)Y]

All users who vote !yes for an invalid votekick get banned, that's correct. How else would they learn their lesson and be aware of the rules?

if someone is breaking a rule, they come here to the forum and report it and the result is a ban.

That's already the case, too.

I would gladly remove votekick because pubs can't use it but too many bobs ruin the games and votekicks are simply needed to at least save the game from the total destruction.. :x

[ShoC]

I kinda wanna bring the stat conversation into this again because of how there's such a change in player behaviour. DotA was really popular years ago (it was more balanced too). People weren't anal retentive over stats because they didn't exist. The community has literally forgotten what "fun" is. You come to an apem pub and everyone is rude and raging and the only reason you'd think this would matter is stats. You're getting screwed over by poor teamwork, people rage at you. You're doing fine, people rage at you when you're not doing the exact thing they want instead of them maybe considering being a bit more independant or bending to you. Not that they don't have any points at all. You're feeding, that's a problem, sure. Rage? why? it's a pub.

[nabo.]

I kinda wanna bring the stat conversation into this again because of how there's such a change in player behaviour. DotA was really popular years ago (it was more balanced too). People weren't anal retentive over stats because they didn't exist. The community has literally forgotten what "fun" is. You come to an apem pub and everyone is rude and raging and the only reason you'd think this would matter is stats. You're getting screwed over by poor teamwork, people rage at you. You're doing fine, people rage at you when you're not doing the exact thing they want instead of them maybe considering being a bit more independant or bending to you. Not that they don't have any points at all. You're feeding, that's a problem, sure. Rage? why? it's a pub.

Not like majority of people have good stats or know how to actually play well. + this has little relation to game ruining and vking. Yes, everything including stats has its ups and downs. But ultimately, it is the users themselves who become the negativity.

Sure, you like to troll and chill based on my experience gaming with and against you in pubs. But, your concept of teamwork is very weak. Maybe it is you just wanting to play different because it is "funny" by going 6 dragonballs aka 6 perserverance.

Votekick function will not be removed.

If you refuse to vk with a legit reasonable stance, your appeal will be granted. If you simply did not kick someone because you are ignorant or did not care about anything, you are contradicting yourself saying you care about your game experience.

The fact that you only bothered to come here and debate about "vk" specifically because it is the reason you got banned, is intriguing.

[ShoC]

Nabo you don't know anything about the builds I go. in fact that's the funny part because if you asked you'd know that they do work but some of them are purely for fun lol. I'm not getting 6 dragonballs... (I don't even know where that comes from but)

What I do on dark seer is try to get 6 battlefuries because i've done it before and its awesome as fuck. It's an incredibly difficult build to do it without reselling items or using a different build to start it off but that kind of helps it due to the amount of gold (time) you need to pull it off lol. I've pulled it off with friends on this bot with them understanding what i'm doing and making use of the hero that I am with the items I have. Item sharing when people you trust are on, getting buffs before battle. Yeah, there's alot more to dota than your pre concieved notion of teamwork. But, yes, the most popular notion of teamwork also happens to be the most simplistic: Make a new account, go bottom, pick OP heroes and use them to the best of their abilities. I see that there is kind of a game in that. The better you are at maybe a few or even alot of heroes to do that to counter others. But there's a BIGGER game here.

Shitloads of items (builds), used to the best of THEIR abilities via play styles to bring out their full potentials creating a game that's like a canvas you can do whatever you want on it. Make a theory a reality. Sure not everything works. Not everything stacks (even in code).

But it's not like you can't get a basher on a ranged hero. Hell they only nerfed it on ranged to make it more useful on melee since it's "harder" for melee to get in to damage deal auto attack. Back in the day people were stacking bashers as a build on all sorts of heroes. It worked but it wasn't the only one that worked. Jump to now and the nerfing only means it's harder. That's it. NOW you know. And yeah you're critiquing my skills in DotA, but not before actually talking to me. Assuming everything from face value in a PUB.

My concept of teamwork would blow yours away. In terms of the self contradiction about me not caring about the VKs I see it's simply the fact that the VK in the first place doesn't solve the problem yet the banning does. You can do whateever you want, but this will remain here unless you decide to remove it. Neither of you have actually truthfully refuted my points except cite personal preference on the matter in general, like passing responsibility onto this terrible community when you can solve the problem by using the sole ban resolution system. It woudln't cause a secondary ban as this one is right here. Now this is where it all breaks down a bit: What's it to you right?
Who cares about secondary bans, it is what it is.

Someone peacefully playing the game getting banned for just peacefully playing the game. That is my point. And I know, I'm not the most peaceful (anymore heh) but there was a time...

Anyway you can of course keep the bots exactly how you like it and cite whatever reasoning you want. Just know that my reasoning is to try and make a better community. Do with my suggestion what you will but don't bring any foolish misconceptions in here. There are other bots and I'm on them right now.

[nabo.]

OP hero. hmmmmm very few broken ones if you know how to play them well. But in general, no hero is actually op.

Well, I never said going 6 pers then bfuries cannot work. But, it is not the optimum build. There are better alternatives. Cases where you lose counter proves your theory. You dont consider building your items based on your team and enemy hero pool and play style. Your style of play works at certain situations and will only be "pwnage" if your other teammates can stall you enough time to get your items. Essentially, it is not your skill why you may pwn later game, but simply because you had the time to make 6 luxury item slots.

Yes, others adjusting to you is a form of teamwork. But, you seem to think all should adjust to you when you dont really play hard carry heros. Ever thought of adjusting yourself to others? Probably not = your contradictory concept of what you call "teamwork".

First and secondary bans? What? You do one wrong act, and you get ban for that specific act. It is that simple.

Peacefully playing the game? If you did nothing wrong, you wouldnt be banned. If you are reasonable, your appeal will be accepted. Dont be the cause of your own ban? Simple.

If you are voting for something whether its !ff or !votekick or !draw, you are responsible of your own vote. Therefore, be aware of the situation and make your decision. If not, you are free to communicate and ask.

I dont cite "quotations". I think therefore I am.