Beta ELO rankings

[aRt)Y]

To clarify a certain point: If the voting turns out in favor for the wipe, it will be on hold until the elo system works flawlessly.

Edit: For other forum users, only Island Defense stats are affected.

[Tedro32]

I'm going to start off by saying that evilmad's reasoning for resetting the elo is complete bullshit. That aside, here are my thoughts:

I think the single biggest reason to reset elo is that it has been inconsistent. I racked up 2400 elo in 180 games when the system first came out. (so did some others) Since then it has been drastically altered. It has taken others 1000+ games to catch that. There are also some gud afk players in the top stats.

As far as a reason not to, I don't really think there are. If people are honestly going to stop playing because a number was reset, that's just sad. The only thing that would be holding us from resetting would be players that think elo is their pride or something. I'm not sure if some people really care that much about their elo, but I think it would be fun to start fresh. I mean if it is really that big of an issue we can archive the current stats so you can have that feeling of greatness or whatever people think their high elo means.

If you got there the first time, you should have no problem getting back, correct?

Anyway, there should definitely be a month or so fixing period, though. The ID elo system is very buggy, can be glitched etc. Neco and uakf.b should find the best way to implement it so that the current problems are fixed as best they can be before we start recording the next "season" of ID elo.

-my hopefully unbiased opinion being a current top 10 elo player

EDIT: it would also be cool if the new system can be more detailed.

Potential things to record: (feel free to contribute ideas)

Individual stats: times titan, times builder, deaths, kills (as titan, mini and builder individually), which titan they pick the most, which builder they pick the most, or a number for each builder, average time till death, percentage of games they die in, times they went observer/didn't pick,

Overall stats: most deaths, most kills, most popular titan, most popular builder, biggest afker,

excellent ideas

[Dehumanchum]

If you do reset why not give people title rewards for top 5 or top 10? Timmy kind of said something about "season." This is just a way to keep some people who worked for the elo happy.

[Tedro32]

If you do reset why not give people title rewards for top 5 or top 10? Timmy kind of said something about "season." This is just a way to keep some people who worked for the elo happy.

well if they do this, ppl that worked their elo and specially those who really care elo, would get rage or mad enough to disagree with that. i believe so.

[Dehumanchum]

well if they do this, ppl that worked their elo and specially those who really care elo, would get rage or mad enough to disagree with that. i believe so.

No matter what happens there will always be an opposing side. It's just a matter of which side is mature enough to suck it up and take it with a grain of salt.

[Merex]

I've become more attached the the ELO process and tbh I don't mind a reset. Most tops (as stated somewhere) are AFK anyways.

[aRt)Y]

I doubt ID is balanced/competitive enough to have ELO seasons like for LIHL.

[TimmyTheTauren]

Uh, I just said season to relate it to something. I hope we aren't intending for frequent resets. Once elo calculation is as close to flawless as we can get it, relatively permanent rankings should we established.

[Burn]

No, reset the ELO after you the elo calculations are fixed.

I'm still getting occassional +16 elo from builder wins with a 1k elo titan, and elo should be next to 0 for players who titan stomp and are above 1600 elo, unless builders are high elo as well, then titan should get way more elo. Also, top 50 players should all be taxed of elo, not just top 10 players.

Coming from someone with 2024 elo on east, and 1687 elo on asia, take that as you will. I am completely for wiping elo calculations every time the elo equation is changed.

Thanks,
-Burn

[uakf.b]

ELO isn't designed for multiplayer games. For even-team games it makes a bit more sense, but when teams aren't even it's harder to justify. The ELO calculation is working correctly according to formula (although the builder ELO change is divided by five), but maybe we want to use something else.

[BeeKauzh]

I completely agree with Burn, elo should be changed everytime the equation is changed. Timmy even said he and others got 2000+ elo in 100 games which is just impossible right now.
It took me 700 games to reach that amount with a 90% winrate which seems to be as high as you can get in a 10v1 game. Upon reaching 2000 I noticed I were getting on average 1-2 elo per game as builder and 0 as titan, it would have taken many more hundreds of games just to get where those people got easily.
Reset it when its fixed and you dont get randomly get a crazy amount of elo vs a 1k elo titan or when you loose elo as builder when builders win.

[aRt)Y]

Thanks for participation. ELO will be wiped once the elo system is stable & a stable ID version is officially released.