LTD "clog" rule suggestion

[Don_Killuminati]

But @radiantcrystal with this rule, u kill the leaker.

[RadiantCrystal]

But @radiantcrystal with this rule, u kill the leaker.

How so?

[Akitos]

nabo. wrote:
So, you are saying that you approve clogging from little delays (t2s)?
What if I wanna split build 17 to dd send lvl 18 and I have like 4-5k lumber, so I decide to send 17 a demon also. Opposite team sent demons. Opposite team leaks from our demons. We win king race.

If you're the only one building split to leak 17 so you can dd 18 (which u probably can't if u send demon 17 anyway, but that's another story), it's ok. You tried to leak in order to dd afterall, not in order to clog. Not to mention the scenario with u just sending demon on 17 and keeping rest for 18 with enemy team dieing vs just demon is SUPER DUPER UBER RARE ^^ Also you will most likely not try to split 17 if u see any chance of them sending 17 unless the rest of your team is such a god vs 17 that they'll surely hold even with u leaking full.

nabo. wrote:
Also, do tell me. If both teams built similar amount of delays, what would have happened to your game? Which side would have won?

The one with Hydra/Hades/ToT(polar) as corner delay :/ I don't think this is how this game should be played tho...

I'd like what u suggested nabo., "Delays cannot exceed 100 value." sounds reasonable. This would also mean you cannot corner delay with stuff like polar, which is good. Tho this rule would definitly need the second rule too, because otherwise whole team could use this 100 value to split army. Tho i'd change it to two players max, often you'll have 2 players try to leak because you're not sure wether or not they can leak. More than 2 should be bannable tho.

[Don_Killuminati]

Radiancrystal wrote:
Any action to delay mobs to reach king

Usually leaker is leaking lvl 11 up to 14 and delay his lane to make slow leaks independently of clog.

[SLSGuennter]

Thing is, if the rule isn't phrased kinda perfect, it will be abused over and over (and till now i don't see any kind of a good phrasing).
There will be lot of qq in appeals, cause they can always say: I wanted split there for this reason and for that reason and whatnot ...
Also, a lot of people don't even want more restrictions. Its like nano said, if both teams build delay its fair.
Yes, maybe team with Hydra/Hades/ToT/Polar wins. But thats actually the game. If you have a better roll and know how to use it, you win.

[Akitos]

Guennter, they can't say that if rule says 2 people at max are allowed to build split. So how is that not clear?

[nabo.]

Well, we could do this:

1) Delays cannot exceed 100 value. (Note: Delays are towers that are built at least ?5? squares ahead of main tower line)
2) Split towers are not allowed. (If you wanna dd, undervalue and face the consequences of low value)

Honestly I dont see the problem with polar a polar bear as a delay. It just shouldnt be above a t5 or 200 valueish.

[Akitos]

I think 5 squares is where u'd build to split no?

[SLSGuennter]

2) Split towers are not allowed. (If you wanna dd, undervalue and face the consequences of low value)

Splitting is old as the map itself (at least splitting to get dd in next round) ... if we still play 3.41, why you wanna disallow split now?

If they arent allowed to split, they will save 1k gold. Will result in heavy clog aswell.
If they have to build the gold, they cant undervalue and leak for dd, cause they arent allowed to split.
There will be 0 dd's 17 anymore, except 1 guy had something like wolvs and totaly failed pre-10 aka got 0 income in arena and also no value.

[nabo.]

2) Split towers are not allowed. (If you wanna dd, undervalue and face the consequences of low value)

Splitting is old as the map itself (at least splitting to get dd in next round) ... if we still play 3.41, why you wanna disallow split now?

If they arent allowed to split, they will save 1k gold. Will result in heavy clog aswell.
If they have to build the gold, they cant undervalue and leak for dd, cause they arent allowed to split.
There will be 0 dd's 17 anymore, except 1 guy had something like wolvs and totaly failed pre-10 aka got 0 income in arena and also no value.

Well, gotta do one or the other.

The one with Hydra/Hades/ToT(polar) as corner delay :/ I don't think this is how this game should be played tho...

Sadly, a lot of the ways ppl play isnt how LTD really should be played imo. Half blame to players, half to the map.

So:

Do not intentional clog:
1) Must build close to half recommended value.
2) Team effort to clog by splitting towers together
3) Building splits/delays that are over 150 value in total.

[SLSGuennter]

Combination of this 3 seems pretty legit. Atm i dont see a way to abuse it.
Lets see what other mods/players think. Maybe they find an abuse-idea If not, something like this could be implemented, yes.

[RadiantCrystal]

Radiancrystal wrote:
Any action to delay mobs to reach king

Usually leaker is leaking lvl 11 up to 14 and delay his lane to make slow leaks independently of clog.

Then how about in a race-to-win situation

[RadiantCrystal]

Do not intentional clog:
1) Must build close to half recommended value.
2) Team effort to clog by splitting towers together
3) Building splits/delays that are over 150 value in total.

Sometimes they don't need to clog by splitting, they just need to delay their lane like a game I had recently, because my team leaked at around the same time, 4 demons arrive at king at about the same time vs enemy 4 demons arrives separately because the killing speed is different resulting in my loss even though we only leaked ~30 they leaked 60+ with 2 heals each wave on both kings.

So I think it should just say with any action to delay creeps from reaching king.

[nabo.]

Sometimes they don't need to clog by splitting, they just need to delay their lane like a game I had recently, because my team leaked at around the same time, 4 demons arrive at king at about the same time vs enemy 4 demons arrives separately because the killing speed is different resulting in my loss even though we only leaked ~30 they leaked 60+ with 2 heals each wave on both kings.

So I think it should just say with any action to delay creeps from reaching king.

So, are you suggesting to ban all forms of delays?

Isnt building delays to vary leak speed a valid strategy?

If there is no clog and people arent building huge value delays, but leaking demons at different times = aint this a valid usage of delays?

I dont get why both teams cant build delays whether all leaks slower or separate times so all demons dont come at once.

[Akitos]

So:

Do not intentional clog:
1) Must build close to half recommended value.
2) Team effort to clog by splitting towers together
3) Building splits/delays that are over 150 value in total.

What exactly does 2 mean? :O I don't get it at all.
The wording on 3 seems off, shouldn't it say that it's not allowed to build split/delay that is over 150 value total? Btw, i'd suggest to limit it below 130, or else you can build polar as corner delay.

1) Players must have close to half of the recommended value.
2) ??????? i don't get it
3) Players are not allowed to build splits/delays that exceed 100 value.

Also there should be:

4) Splits may only be build at levels where your team is not sending.

(This would avoid people building splits in order to clog)