Another of those lod ban suggestion threads: sleight of fist + perma invis

[BiLyA]

Game should be more about game play and strategy rather than luck.

Why don't you just ask to switch on a 4skill bot since you fail to see that a 6skill game is meant to be just a fun mode? lmfao

[warlord1994]

SoF is op because it's so hard to counter.

The range on it is huge.
You dont get revealed if you use it with perm invis.
Blade mail does not fucking deflect it.
It is easily turned into one hit and the range is huge.
You can sit way away from the enemy and one hit them while they cant reach you cause of the op range.

It needs to be nerfed just like enchant totem combined with germinate and jinada was. But that point is moot since the map makers are on strike or some shit.

Suggestion would be to ban germinate + jinada + SoF. You can pick two out of the three but not all three together.

I like the idea of having a small list of banned combos until they get properly nerfed. I've seen this work well on Ranked Gaming. List is usually about 5 combos long and if someone wants to cheat and rape everyone with that super op combo they can be banned for a couple of days. This is the best solution I can think of. Lod is a sweet game but is ruined cause of OP draft luck. Game should be more about game play and strategy rather than luck.

Ok wanna 1 vs 1 with ur geminate, jin, perm invis Jim?
I can do tanker or simple carry or any other op mc, rearm AP mode.
lewl. there are many OP builds plz ban them all.
when u take out one the other is stronger lol.

[aRt)Y]

I don't know about all the glitches that can be done, but I can always tell when one is being used.

You are better connected in the LoD community though, so I guess collecting a list of glitches wont be a big problem for you.

[entrails]

people going off topic, is this ban implemented or not

[aRt)Y]

people going off topic, is this ban implemented or not

I dont see a list of glitches, yet. And considering it isnt archived, nor pending implementation, one would assume the topic is still to be discussed.

[CheW]

No more mana break cuz it glitches on everyone

[Sylvanas]

people going off topic, is this ban implemented or not

I dont see a list of glitches, yet. And considering it isnt archived, nor pending implementation, one would assume the topic is still to be discussed.

I've listed the ones I know just before that quote. Rearm/flame guard one is an already banned one and mana break isn't a huge deal, it's just the 2 perma invis ones I would like something being done about. I already got someone banned for using the perma invis glitch on purpose and this thread is mostly about banning the use of the glitched perma/sleight of fist combo.

Again, there aren't that many right now. I just brought up a couple of them that mods weren't aware of and were doing nothing about. There isn't a 10 foot long list of lod glitches that people are constantly using, just a couple nuisances that need to be officially banned.

[aRt)Y]

@Sylvanas Could you clarify the mana break part again? When does it work and when doesn't it?

Current glitches (which are already ban-able per general rules anyway):

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Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist in combination with Tinker's Rearm
> Purposely stacking damage.

Rikimaru's Permanent Invisibility
> Intentionally refusing auto-attack.

if you've any more, please list them.

[Sylvanas]

@Sylvanas Could you clarify the mana break part again? When does it work and when doesn't it?

Current glitches (which are already ban-able per general rules anyway):

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Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist in combination with Tinker's Rearm
> Purposely stacking damage.

Rikimaru's Permanent Invisibility
> Intentionally refusing auto-attack.

if you've any more, please list them.

Mana break currently does double the listed effect. At every skill level, it burns double the listed mana and does double the damage. However, I believe most people would rather adapt to the stronger mana break than see it banned.

Next, sleight of fist doesn't interact normally with perma invis. Even without using the perma invis glitch, using sleight of fist won't reveal you, which is unintended and very exploitable. That should be banned.

[HazarDous]

@Sylvanas

So perma invis becomes glitched (doesn't reveal you) when you use sleight of fist? Is there a way to avoid the glitch while having both of those skills or should the combo simply be banned?

Also, does it only glitch when you use sleight of fist, or any other skill afterwards?

[CheW]

Perm invis with sleight of fist you go instantly back to invis. It reveals you but you are invis after first attack of sleight. Mana break does double dmg/mana burn for melee.

[Sylvanas]

@Sylvanas

So perma invis becomes glitched (doesn't reveal you) when you use sleight of fist? Is there a way to avoid the glitch while having both of those skills or should the combo simply be banned?

Also, does it only glitch when you use sleight of fist, or any other skill afterwards?

The combo should be banned. Perma invis just doesn't work normally with sleight of fist and there's no reveal no matter what you do.

It's just the interaction of those 2 skills that's glitched, any other active skills used by the same hero will still reveal him on cast, however perma invis/sleight of fist heroes are typically loaded with passives and buffs and only use sleight of fist to attack, which makes it really bothersome.

Perm invis with sleight of fist you go instantly back to invis. It reveals you but you are invis after first attack of sleight. Mana break does double dmg/mana burn for melee.

Technically it doesn't reveal you at all, just the spell animation (which shows Ember at your casting position and quickly hitting every unit in the aoe). It does show where you are (if that area is in sight), but you never go off invis. You cast it while invis, you become invulnerable during the animation, then you're invisible again.

[CheW]

There goes sleight of fist perma and caustic to 1 shot people when they by creeps

[Burnt]

Current glitches (which are already ban-able per general rules anyway):

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Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist in combination with Tinker's Rearm
> Purposely stacking damage.

Guess you meant flame guard not sleight

[aRt)Y]

Suggestion approved.

Following content will be added to the wiki on the weekend, and enforced starting Monday.

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Ember Spirit's Flame Guard in combination with Tinker's Rearm
> Purposely stacking damage.

Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist in combination with Rikimaru's Permanent invisibility
> Banned / Does not reveal upon casting.

Rikimaru's Permanent Invisibility
> Intentionally refusing auto-attack.