Antistuck abuse on LTD 1v1 bot

[iightfyre]

Meh. I watched a bunch of replays and it doesn't look that OP to me. (5hand split his creeps with this tact which looks def OP and might catch on http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=3071818.w3g)

Anyway.. I will stick to my original opinion that not allowing players to build on the dark green area is the best fix for this if it truly is a problem.

[aRt)Y]

^ that would be harder to detect tho. A scan for AS is so simple but ye.. :o

[iightfyre]

@art)y - But once the scans are done we would need to review the replay during the AS use to see if its being used at the corner or not (because the proposition is only to make it against the rules for this particular use). This would be more time consuming than just going 8x on a replay and seeing if towers are built on the dark green?

Agree to disagree? or? lol...

[aRt)Y]

This would be more time consuming than just going 8x on a replay and seeing if towers are built on the dark green?

Method "Green": You dont know when. You gotta watch the whole replay.
Method "AS": You know the exact time and can forward to it while doing other stuffs.

[matdas]

Someone PM me a short synopsis of this topic please?

[eldryan]

I would support outlawing AS. It's so abused, and by it's very name is taking advantage of improper game mechanic functions. It really doesn't take overly long to check them, and users could do it for the mods - with the mention in ban requests should be quite easy to locate.

@shameless

[skillerinstinct]

So did you come to an agreement?

[Plunderer]

just FYI look how can it be

[supersexyy]

You should make a poll about banning as skiller.

[aRt)Y]

Well, someone summarize the current opinions/options and I'll add it.

[skillerinstinct]

Modes pro prohibition(4):

I agree to this suggestion.

Currently, it is allowed, But i've noticed that it's becoming a problem in 1v1, Abusing the mechanism to gain advantage.

I completely agree with skiller, that we shouldn't allow the use of AS to gain the advantage that the 1v1 people are trying to gain.

I support this.

It's definitely abuse, pulling summon's that they die first and creep's so they can kill x amount of creep's before the bulk of the creep wave hit's your towers.

At the current moment we have no rule, that restricts this from being abused as it currently is.

Mods contra: None?

Users who shared their opinions in this thread, pro prohibition: Strikest, I_kill_satan, Plunderer (at least how I got it, let me know when it is wrong)

Users contra: none

Neutral:

Meh. I watched a bunch of replays and it doesn't look that OP to me. (5hand split his creeps with this tact which looks def OP and might catch on http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=3071818.w3g)

Anyway.. I will stick to my original opinion that not allowing players to build on the dark green area is the best fix for this if it truly is a problem.

If someone feels on the wrong place, let me know please.^^

[JunZzi]

Im all for prohibiting AntiStuck in 1v1's, as it is being used to gain an unfair advantage more so then in normal 4v4.

I'm against prohibiting it in regular games.

[skillerinstinct]

Oh didn't see, I got you twice. Well, then it is no contra at all I guess?

There only have been differences in how to realize it. The only concrete suggestion yet came from iightfire:

Anyway.. I will stick to my original opinion that not allowing players to build on the dark green area is the best fix for this if it truly is a problem.

Which seems to be an acceptable solution to me. Especially, since the actual game idea of middle build for sure wasn't to use it in 1v1 that way(outplaying sends), even without the glitch abuse.

Also prohibit antistuck before all towers are dead and making it report requirement to call the exact time of AS abuse, doesn't sound too complicated to me. But some mods expected issues with this.

[JunZzi]

Yes i'm in agreeance with this.

@iightfyre

Your decision?

[iightfyre]

Well. In my opinion, there are 2 viable actions that we can take. (This is a proposition for the 1v1 bot only)

1. New rule - Players cannot build in the dark green area.
2. New rule - Players cannot use AS except when creeps are actually stuck.

Both will solve the problem and have their own pros and cons. I suggest we take a vote and make a swift (ish) decision on the matter.

I vote for #1

PS - I created a poll to further this discussion. --> https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26229&p=117201#p117201