LTD "clog" rule suggestion

[RadiantCrystal]

Sometimes they don't need to clog by splitting, they just need to delay their lane like a game I had recently, because my team leaked at around the same time, 4 demons arrive at king at about the same time vs enemy 4 demons arrives separately because the killing speed is different resulting in my loss even though we only leaked ~30 they leaked 60+ with 2 heals each wave on both kings.

So I think it should just say with any action to delay creeps from reaching king.

So, are you suggesting to ban all forms of delays?

Isnt building delays to vary leak speed a valid strategy?

If there is no clog and people arent building huge value delays, but leaking demons at different times = aint this a valid usage of delays?

I dont get why both teams cant build delays whether all leaks slower or separate times so all demons dont come at once.

Well, splitting or delay for a larger send is ok and valid. However, delaying when it's a race-to-win in my case, should not be used.

And yes, as Akitos stated just a minute ago, at least less than 130 value because polar bear costs only 130g to make

[nabo.]

Well, splitting or delay for a larger send is ok and valid. However, delaying when it's a race-to-win in my case, should not be used.

Why cant both teams delay then? Also, arent people building delays expecting there will be a race-to-win?

Do not intentionally clog:
1) Must build close to half recommended value.
2) Splits and delays cannot exceed over 120 value in total.
3) Splits may only be built at levels where your team is not sending.

[Akitos]

Do not intentionally clog:
1) Must build close to half recommended value.
2) Splits and delays cannot exceed over 120 value in total.
3) Splits may only be built at levels where your team is not sending.

Seems legit. I'd appreciate this as new rule.

[Straya]

So is this for all bots or just 1200+?

[nabo.]

If implemented, on all ltd bots ofc.

[Akitos]

Uhm, if this should be for all bots there have to be an exception for cross.

1) Must build close to half recommended value; unless incomer in cross.
2) Splits and delays cannot exceed over 120 value in total; cross delay on incomer side may still be above 120 value.

Else you'd gimp cross too hard with that, in later stages, and especially with some towers, u need more than 120 value delay.

[Straya]

^ Which is why I asked. I personally think these rules are too complicated for a public bot. If you want rules then play lihl.

[nabo.]

Uhm, if this should be for all bots there have to be an exception for cross.

1) Must build close to half recommended value; unless incomer in cross.
2) Splits and delays cannot exceed over 120 value in total; cross delay on incomer side may still be above 120 value.

Else you'd gimp cross too hard with that, in later stages, and especially with some towers, u need more than 120 value delay.

Exception to cross building will be mentioned ofc.

^ Which is why I asked. I personally think these rules are too complicated for a public bot. If you want rules then play lihl.

Could make the rule to 1200+bot only, but I am afraid people will play ent18 and abuse the same anyway.

We could simplify it a bit by banning all delays and allow splits only, but not sure if people want that. Clog is complicated to fix, therefore, requires a complicated rule imo. Although whether its complicated or not will depend on your game understanding.

[Akitos]

Make it 1,2k only, who cares about ent18 lol. Cross & Merc is already broken ^^ Elo from there is worthless anyway and almost no good player still plays on ent18 frequently. Sure, there could be some pros going there and clog the shit out of pubs, but as i said, it's not like cross + merc is less broken or anything xDD

[SLSGuennter]

People will mass Hydra/Sprite/Necromancer/Hades/... + ToT/Polar and still clog the shit out of it imo.
The only thing we get by this is, that the "pro-cloggers" now even get more advantage, cause they know how to do it without obvious things like cornerdelay or high frontvalue. Also there will be more flame by each side (you clogged, no you ... you are unfair player ... qq) and a lot more brq's.
Still i doubt it will reduce the amount of clogwins in 17. If people realy want to abuse this mapglitch, they will do it, since its quite easy here.

[Akitos]

I doubt that this'll happen too often. If anything it'll be used by lame lihl players who go to 1,2k and stack on same team.

[nabo.]

Rule will be added tomorrow.

Only concern is that the rule may be too technical, but clog is complicated.

Perhaps we should add a note saying "mod's evaluation criteria".