DotA mode vote

[ILLIONAIRE]

Mystical_ice u are assuming all ppl who vote dfor em + non em to just wanting em? id rather think some of them would want just non em if they remove non em completely because the option was giving both em + non em and they voted for that . The people who voted for just non-em will not move because their vote is clear but for those who voted for nonem +em we never know if we only put 2 option to have either em or non-em only their vote we will never know what they want and you cant just assume that they want em only becuase that is not what it stated on poll . And more votes on non-em still added up

[AnotherWorld]

I'd love read you all about the maps difference also & more constructive arguments than just "-em is for noobs".
I don't know ppl IQ average around but i guess it's not that high just reading comments here.
I'd rather look intelligent stuff about :
- Towers weaker => benefits? (when u got shaman with you or not)
- 2 gold per sec instead one => real benefits? disadvantage you see

I'm gonna post a bit about why i'd love to keep .81 until .83 is fixed.
For the rest, i just think that i wish the best for ENT Community & would love to make everyone happy here so to me, if there is 2 options -em & normal ap, i'll feel better to keep -em since it fills good & considering the poll here, it's 50/50.
Keeping AP is for 50% players here better for the "standard" of a gosu unbeatable player who can't accept playing -em ! it's too noob friendly, & a shame ! So only AP will be fine for those masters. For the rest who aren't considered & classified as shits & noobs, just wait & pray after this topic ends.

EDIT : Why i don't appreciate some bugs on .83 more than free gold/items through butterfly bug, here around fountain, the delimitation isn't clear & really bugged (I am outside fountain on left outer border, & still got killed by fountain) they kept delimitation mark of .81 but hill tinyer...)

[nabo.]

What is wrong with fountain being able to hit you when you are touching the edge of the fountain hill? Why do you think the fountain should not attack half a space outside the "gated" area? Why do you need to be that close?

This is simple. Dont try to fountain farm so hard. There is little to nothing for you to do right beside the hill except trying to farm heroes. You can still buy items up close without dying. The fountain is serving its purpose and you are doing something unnecessary obviously.

[AnotherWorld]

What is wrong with fountain being able to hit you when you are touching the edge of the fountain hill?
=> Because in Sentinel, when you are at the SAME PLACE than Scourge, you don't get it.

Why do you think the fountain should not attack half a space outside the "gated" area?
=> Because it never been possible outside the gated area.

Why do you need to be that close?
=> Tried to sell an item & escape

As i said before, they limited the floor space but no the fountain blast area according to floor area => Only in Scourge : Totally bugged. Unacceptable for a hundred version of DotA.

You can still buy items up close without dying => Not here. I should not be hit in the middle outside & out top. I tried buy items. Just played another from scourge & stayed at the exact same place bottom without being killed by fountain.

I deduct i should like Fangorn did before, only play in Scourge at all. Simply because that map suck atm. Hope they won't be long to fix it.

[nabo.]

As I said, fountain is serving its purpose. Shouldnt be selling your item at enemy fountain shop. Just because it never was possible, does not mean it should not be possible. Fountain having a longer range attack actually discourages players from fountain farming. Even if you were to fountain scare the enemy team as a strategy to pressure/distract them while your team raxes, very rarely should you be so close to enemy fountain. Nothing unplayable.

[KingKar]

this poll is not good. there should be only 2 options.
1. host all bots Em on 6.81d
2. host all bots non em on 6.83c.
these are the only things people are looking into but noobs are getting confused with the first 4 options. the votes are scattered.
i hope this isnt taking into seriously if bots will be non em 6.83c then gg dota1 might aswell switch to dota 2... or void.

[NutzSucksHard]

You need to keep some em. Not because it's for noob. But people like I now have no time, would love game that end up after 20-30 minutes. Game that last 75 minutes of crap ... I hate it. I would play non-em on weekend, when I do have time. On week, when I work, come home and have two hours to play, please, let me play multiple game, with different hero, players etc. VARIETY... Otherwise game will go doll for some people that have a busy schedule.

I'm not playing anymore. But if I would be, that would be my honest opinion (dota2 is now the game). If game doesn't fill, and so many people ask for AP. Why does game don't fill up then?.. Honestly keep both mode for people that have short period of time to play..

I don't know why it has to matter also with the map versions... But I dunno if there's bug or anything related to Doto1 patch/maps.

Hope my opinion will go out of the box that EM is crap and for noob.. It's not about that, but the lenght of games for me. That's it.

[NumberOneStunna]

Nearly all of the discussion in this thread has been about player preferences, the merits of EM vs. non-EM, whether lower-skill players will appropriately adjust to non-EM, related issues, and, of course, the ever-present personal attacks. There are, however, some bottom-line issues that we can all agree are the most important considerations in deciding what modes to host: In both the near and long term, is ENT losing players? If so, how many?

The administrators of the website are the only people in a position to properly assess the answers to these questions. However, it does seem that the AP lobby is filling much, much slower than the APEM lobbies were filling prior to the change, and the AREM lobbies appear to be filling at about the same rate they were before the change. So are we losing players? To Void? DRB?

Some players appear to have left the community because they prefer APEM games. Others have probably left, not because they strongly prefer APEM over AP, but because they strongly prefer 60 second lobbies over 10-20 minute lobbies (shorter, of course, during peak US/CA hours, but still slow). How many more players will leave for the latter reason, as they start to realize there are alternative communities with faster lobbies?

I can anticipate the response to this question: if players can't wait 10 minutes for a decent game, why do we want to maintain them as part of the community? The reply is simple: we may not want them, but we need them. Pretty quickly, as patience grows short, 10 minute lobbies (or 20, as we've been seeing) become 30 minute lobbies, and then the community disappears all at once. A lot of players have no patience, and we'll lose many if not all of them in the long run.

I would STRONGLY prefer to drop EM altogether, but I'm more concerned about maintaining DotA on ENT, period. I trust that the admins are very much aware of this concern, and I don't need to say more about it. My only real addition is this: The test will of course take more than a few days, but how long? If it's a few weeks, how many players who have left will have already established themselves elsewhere and therefore will never return to ENT?

[NumberOneStunna]

Eloquent argument =-D

Also: Meepo is much stronger in non EM than EM, especially in pubs, which is obviously what we're talking about.

[sleeping]

in my personal opinion, even tho I don't even play dota, they should really just host both and not just do a poll and host only 1 side game only.
these kind of polls are just plain stupid to remove -em and host only non-em etc blah blah
some players will want to play -em some will want to play non-em from the past a lot of the non-em rarely have any players in it
even when the non-em bots do get filled the slow pace kill players making them leave ruining the game
but its all up to u guys if you really think this is what is good for the community then go for it

[LiquidShards]

So much nastiness from the AP only camp. Let people play the mode they want. There's intense demand for apem so why stop hosting it? How does removing it help ENT's community? This is only going to seriously hurt ENT's player base. You can't force everyone to play AP.

[ShadowZz]

EM has been around for like 13 years. In my opinion if people still want to play it why should they be forced not to. I agree that AP is more balanced and is a better overall gaming experience but if people enjoy playing EM who are we to tell them not to. I think there has been enough activity on the bot to justify it's existence....

[tinkertonker]

I will say the game quality is significantly better. It all comes down to the type of people you want in these games. The changes in the map and the mode itself discourages a lot of the shitty behaviors that were happening.

[Ahna777]

I missed the non-em games. I used to always play ap and rd on dotacash.

Em games do tend to be shorter, but aside the mode it is more about players' skill difference that determines the game time length.

I have seen so many players below 800 elo on ENT. I understand that it is fair to let noobs or bad players play, but there is a limit to being bad.....people dont really improve playing em games since you can play em games without csing at all!!!

I do not think you guys should mix host two diff dota versions.

[nabo.]

Many posts have been deleted so far. Does not matter whether they were in support of em or non-em or both.

Any post with flaming, already answered questions multiple times, useless commentary, repetition, no-relation to the votes will be considered as spam.