Petition Post to bring back the old dota 6.83d [EDIT - I added a poll]

[invid2k14]

No. Allstars suck.

[Larz]

@invid2k14 Really ? 6.83d is dota all stars pretty much all versions sine 5.0 are all stars
When we were all still playing on roc it was just dota. Since tft it has been dota all stars.
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Defense_o ... :_Allstars

[kill]

Admins, just provide both versions: problem solved!
Simple as that!

I AGREE. I vote for 2 versions [ENT] Dota 6.83d apem us/ca # and [ENT] Dota NEW apem us/ca #

[Larz]

@kill the problem with that is how many bots we have available and how much space it takes on the servers

[tyler11]

Admins, just provide both versions: problem solved!
Simple as that!

I AGREE. I vote for 2 versions [ENT] Dota 6.83d apem us/ca # and [ENT] Dota NEW apem us/ca #

Well if we have to choose between the two then the old version is definitely the best one to have. It has both options of APEM and AP and it is more fun and not so slow paced. Also all players like the old one, while a lot of people won't even play this new version. hope you can switch it back soon

[HazarDous]

Added announcement about this topic.

[StormBorn]

Theres one silver lining with this change on map's version:
Now, after i enter the lobby, i have enough time to take a bath, prepare and slowly drink some tea, watch an episode of my favorite series and then come back in time to play an ENT's "APEM" "DOTA".

[HazarDous]

For those interested in improving DracoL1ch's DotA map, be it to add an EM mode, or fix w.e u dislike in his current 6.85 version, feel free to post here

As aRt)Y mentionned, it is always better to have a map actively developped rather than an abandoned one. At some point, if you guys do voice your opinions, DracoL1ch will most likely listen.

[BiLyA]

Hey why don't we return to the 6.78 map? Im not even joking, this was the most stable map I can remember, no bugs, no tons of gold/sec, no fail comeback mechanics lolll

[Slomosapien]

Up til now, the changes that occur between versions has been slow and minor. Adding a new hero or a new item is small potatoes and easy to transition. I think the biggest problem with the new change is that it's drastic and difficult to accommodate for anyone who is used to the previous version.

I think change is good and it wont take long before this is fine. Adding a pile of new items and recipes makes the transition tough for most players (I've played DotA since like 3.4 on RoC... Mannorath?.. Furion with cyclone? c'maaan)

I haven't encountered any bugs or glitches or excessive lag. I think this is a good version, but it requires slightly different skills and playstyle.

Buck up, chaps.

[Slomosapien]

For those interested in improving DracoL1ch's DotA map, be it to add an EM mode, or fix w.e u dislike in his current 6.85 version, feel free to post here

That website is tough to navigate. I can't read or write in cyrillic alphabet.

[peterpanpark]

@Av1oN has posted not too long ago that someone should respond to LarZ opinion of the new map which writes in tone of favoring the new map. As the person who started this petition, my original criticisms still stand but i will gladly respond to LarZ's points.

im just going to give my opinion.
Many players complain about an op meepo or slark picker can ruin the game.
So now we have a version that is more balanced and we still complain.
It is an em mode but yes the gold does come a bit slower, but that is off set by the fact items are quite a bit less expensive.

While meepo and slark do present certain advantages, it certainly does not mean a guaranteed win. These heroes are more dependent on the team and specific heroes to counter them. I've seen just as many bad meepo/slark as much as I see good meepo/slark.

Some items do cost abit less but that cannot be used as a justification that this map is an upgrade. All map changes since the very beginning has changes in terms of gold costs, mana costs, cool-down times, etc so these changes must be looked at on a case by case basis. So yes, some items do cost less but pretty much all them are minor items. All the big major items still cost the same but with the only difference now is that gold is coming in at 1gold/sec hence, longer games, less action, less fun, more farm dependent. To say that will justify the non-em mode we have on this new map simply does not hold any water.

The reasons the games are longer is due to it being more balanced and any carry that just wants to sit back and play safe cant get over powered.
If you also notice cool downs and mana costs are less.
this helps make the game a tad more skill dependent and not as much item dependent also off setting the amount of gold you no longer receive for just being in the game.

I disagree completely. If anything, the new map has changed everyone's focused to one thing - gold dependent. Because of the fact that we're all receiving 1 gold /sec, this disincentives any reason for rational players to play different heroes other than the popular norm thus having the opposite effect of creating a 'balanced & fair' selection of heroes comprising of Support/Carry/Tanks. Remember we're talking about EM players here, why would anyone even contemplate of playing dazzle over slark or lion over husk or lich over sniper when they're receiving only 1gold/sec?
Sure dazzle,lion & lich might have some early successes here n there at the beginning but a 1 hour game?
Over the course of a typical game, certain heroes will find it much harder to farm and accumulate items making them more vulnerable to deaths and hence even good players will suffer by dragging down the team.

The old map had a great balancing factor to this problem which is the ability of any player to accumulate gold because of EM. This gives incentives for all players to try out certain heroes, takes risks with others or pick certain heroes to counter specific heroes like slark & meepo.
Hence having a positive effect of creating a diverse group of hero selection of all types - Support/Carry/Tanks
Now since the new map had taken away that incentive, pretty much every person is really for themselves because everyone knows, if you fall behind during the game it is almost impossible for you to catch up with the rest of the team.
This is why you see alot of players with hardly any items after 50mins or even 1 hour of game-play.

I like dota no matter which version it is.
I am just saying a change is not a bad thing try it out for a few see where it goes. If it is a disaster I am sure something will be worked out.

If my original post at the start of this petition and my response here is not sufficient to show that this map is an overall downgrade not to mention that the poll is now showing 90% + in favor of going back to 6.83d. I have no idea what it will take for the admin to revert back.

The community has spoken loud and clear.

Thank you

[HazarDous]

That website is tough to navigate. I can't read or write in cyrillic alphabet.

Try the english forums, then.

Edited link directly to those forums.

[Suck_It69]

Slark and Legion commander might be balanced since LC courage has now CD but (got ulti stick which means duel lasts infinity) meepo is still powerful like last version.
And why complaining that LC/slark are too powerful on old version, u just gotta learn how to counter these heroes, like with slardar

[chrismokvack]

I think there has been more players experiencing lag and dropping out though.

Yes! This happens very frequently now. I have now personally dropped out myself for the first time when my internet connection was still up (and of course I got banned for it too!) and someone drops out almost every second game, often 2-3 players drop in the same game!

It's obvious to me players are abandoning ENT en masse. A few days ago you could join a game and it would start 30 seconds later, now the waiting time has increased to average 5 minutes. Give us back old map asap please!