DotA mode vote

[EdgeOfChaos]

One thing to consider is that even if EM modes win the vote, the people complaining will still be able to play AP, as it will still be hosted. This doesn't even do anything for the AP people, it just takes away an option for the people who like EM.

AnotherWorld votes are still coming in strong, so I'd guess not for a while.

One thing: could uakf.b please post AP game length averages now that we've been doing this for a while? I've had several AP games that go for 1 hour +, which very rarely happens in EM, so I'm wondering if the length reflects that.

[PharoaheMonch]

I'm happy to see the effort and progress made in restoring DoTa to the way it was meant to be played. I think I will be playing on here more often when I have the time.

[Stealer]

@edgeofchaos avg game lengths was in the announcement post (40,37)
https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=59502

[ShadowZz]

@aRt)Y If you add up the 3 sections which include -em then there are 60 votes for -em as of right now. I find it disturbing if you haven't noticed that.......

It's 50/50, half of the people who vote want it so put it back......zzzzzz

[allemanus]

I've read most of the posts here and there's one thing i still don't get. Why can't EM and Non-EM modes coexist on ENT? The players that don't like to play EM and feel the need to ridicule the ones that actually enjoy this mode, perpetuate their AP's or AR's and the others just play what they want. I've read one sentence that's so stupid and so exemplary for the arguments of the Non-EM section, i have to quote it;
"I think -em is a disgrace to Dota and I am offended for being forced to play em for the past years just because ap games were forever empty"
So let me summarize; because no one wanted to play this, in your opinion, superior mode, you didn't wait for the other (eventual) admirers and just played with the EM-mob? Classy dude; that explains why there are 20 apem games in the time that you need to fill one Non-EM game. In my opinion neither EM nor Non-EM are better or worse, they are just different and every one has his preferences and subjective opinions about them. I dont' actually know why there is such a low interest in Non-Em's but to blame the EM games to ruin the Non-EM games, just because these exist is simply laughable. If someone wants to play Non-EM so where's the problem to wait, if this game is sooooo much better, more balanced and more exciting than EM? In my experience (and what i've read so far, even the Non-EM section and the Hosts second this fact) the majority plays EM. I don't know if it's because of it's easiness or the speed of action (actually i don't really care), but to deny the gamers this, just because of some few (and im talking of the whole community not only the discussants here), is unfair and not comprehensible. Btw. why did you just stop EM-modes instead of all modes while the poll is still running?
You should have asked one simple question in your poll: "Should we stop hosting the EM mode on our Servers?" instead of splitting the EM votes in three major partys. That biased the poll tremendously and gives the Non-EM section the devious illusion of "winning" the poll, while in reality it's even.
And btw. what does the Non-EM section think to gain by shutting down the EM modes? That the hated EM players now join Non-EM games, play obviously bad compared to all the Non EM pros here, so that they can rage on the hated EM noobs? there is no sence in it
I've played ap the last days and it still about 8-10 minutes to fill a game. The rage-leaving rate after about 30 minutes is very high and 7 of 8 games ended with at least 2 players missing. Where is the strategic component there? Btw. this happens in public Non-EM games more often, than in public EM games.
So please ENT proceed in hosting the EM modes. DOTA in all is facetes was and is a great game and we should be happy about every player that plays it after all the years and helps to keep the old battlenet and the ENT dota section alive.

[Haunt]

If there ever was a reason to press Thank you-button, it's now. Too bad I can't thank the poster above.

Thumps up @allemanus , couldn't have said it better myself.

[alopp12345]

Agree with allemanus, basically what I was trying to post 2 days ago but Nabo kept deleting my post for criticizing -ap. The whole idea is illogical of removing -em. People obviously don't like -ap and will not magically start playing -ap if -em is removed. They will simply go play -apem on void or OHS or wherever.

[EdgeOfChaos]

@allemanus ^^ Completely right. Host both and let people decide which they want to play. If they want to experience "true dota" as jfaller thinks, they can go play it. It fills up slower, but there still were games of AP being played before. I don't like this heavy-handed way of forcing people to play a mode they don't want to.

And yeah, thumbs down for the biased poll options.

[Frank]

can we at least all agree that 6.83 and em are not compatible? icefrog already made 6.83 em indirectly.. we dont need to multiply that by 2.

[AnotherWorld]

+++++1 with @allemanus at all.

One thing i wanna add, is simply this replay.
I TOTALLY forgot to mention that, when ONE PLAYER is leaving AP, it unbalances TOTALLY the game. The team without players get STRONGER items so fast & more gold & selling/using leavers items.

This 3v5 should never have been LOST.
B00ba is really good AXE 16-0
& We lost anyway because they got XP + GOLD an abnormal way that i can't understand & can't stand.

You can't lose APEM that way, only this bullshit in AP.

GG !???
I'm quitting playing AP unless -em comes back here.

Sorry for all players who played with me before, im waiting changes.

[kobomachi]

^
He doesnt understand gold mechanics at all. Therefore, Q_Q mode is on.
You are posting a game that is not balanced due to leavers to make your point?

It is hilarious to read people complaining about this saying they have moved on to dota void, yet continue to post here. Honestly, w/e the mode ENT decides to host, I think the administration is competent enough to host what is best for this community. If it is AP, be it.

I think the current AP and AREM is a pretty good mix too. I get better games on AP and chill around on AREM. Players cannot pick gay heroes everytime, so AREM is fine by me.

The reason I play ENT is because of the better hosting stability, better moderation, and less crazy feeders and maphackers running around than on dota void.

-em is not a bad mode. There is fun to it, just different no skill required chililng gameplays. BUT, if you guys are seriously considering to host any more of the dota updates or 6.83 version, it is not for em. I would prefer playing a lower version if you guys do host em games.

[sdmf]

I hesitate to understand why removing the choice of all the players who play on Ent is a good thing? By hosting both em and non em games you give each person the ability to play what they wish, when they wish. As someone posted above, it is not as though those who enjoy playing em games (such as myself) is simply going to move over and play non-em games just because that will be all you host. Those who want to play em will simply move to on to other servers(void, Bk, OHS, etc) and you will be left doing nothing but slowly bankrupting your servers of players. While I am currently playing on void and the others, I post this here because ENT does have the most consistent and stable dota servers and I have been playing on your servers for years. I would hate to see that vanish. While I cannot see the actual numbers of games and players, I can tell you from my experience that since you removed em, ent games are not only drastically fewer in number, but the amount of games that actually fill and form has also dropped. I would be shocked if you had not noticed this. More choices, more options, more people. Long live capitalism.

[kobomachi]

More choices and options is not always the best. Eliminating minor options and centralizing playerbase should be best for this community.

Quality > Quantity.

Current AP + AREM is a good mix for both sides imo.

[KingKar]

I THINK whatever happens at the end, we can ALL agree that 6.83 is the worst update yet. Lets all just keep 6.81 and WAIT until icefrog fixes all the problems in 6.83, THEN we can update. Thanks

[kobomachi]

I THINK whatever happens at the end, we can ALL agree that 6.83 is the worst update yet. Lets all just keep 6.81 and WAIT until icefrog fixes all the problems in 6.83, THEN we can update. Thanks

What do you not like about it?

No version is perfect which is why dota has been updating since years ago.

Have you tried this? https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59822

It is well made. But, it seems not good yet for apple lovers lol.

You keep stating something, yet refuse to elaborate why. I wonder why.