Minimum # of Games bot

[Palsgraf]

Suggestion: Create a bot for DotA APEM that only allows people with at least 20 games recorded in their history to play.

Purpose: To keep out those who ban dodge or smurf and host games where people can develop a reputation.

Advantages: Only those who have managed to rack up 20 games on 1 account would be allowed in the game - and if a player is a map hacker who hacks and dodges, he'd be unlikely to rack up 20 games on that account. Same goes for rage quitters and that jackass who keeps picking Furion and teleporting to enemy fountain -- and then resetting his IP and making new accounts only to do it again.

Disadvantages: 1) These games may take longer to fill than an ordinary game. 2) If this bot takes off, it may become more difficult for new players to get games started on bots that don't require a minimum number of games. 3) This would not keep out people who are extremely determined to ruin games and have a lot of time on their hands.

Additional notes: This differs from previous attempts in that no minimum elo or linking of accounts is required. All that is require is that a user has played at least 20 games on an account.

Implementation: Name the games something like "[ENT] DotA APEM 20+ #xx"

Conclusion: This would go a long way to creating more consistently high quality games with fewer leavers and fewer ban dodgers.

[uakf.b]

Due to record-breaking levels of inactivity in HR, I say we transform all of the HR bots into this. Instead of minimum # games, minimum 20 wins sounds better. AND, should require players to meet EITHER some minimum stay percentage requirement (say, >90%) OR a minimum left percentage requirement (say, <5%).

[Medicca]

Thumbs up.

[Palsgraf]

Due to record-breaking levels of inactivity in HR, I say we transform all of the HR bots into this. Instead of minimum # games, minimum 20 wins sounds better. AND, should require players to meet EITHER some minimum stay percentage requirement (say, >90%) OR a minimum left percentage requirement (say, <5%).

20 wins sounds great - that way you know they aren't just game ruiners who ruined 20 games in a row. I also support the 90% stay requirement.

[uakf.b]

Hosting on HR bots now.

[Fangorn]

Purpose: To keep out those who ban dodge or smurf and host games where people can develop a reputation.

The smurfers doesn't care, they will make several accounts anyhow. Same with the ban dodgers, as long as ent doesn't rangeban, this server isn't protected against hackers.

Advantages: Only those who have managed to rack up 20 games on 1 account would be allowed in the game - and if a player is a map hacker who hacks and dodges, he'd be unlikely to rack up 20 games on that account. Same goes for rage quitters and that jackass who keeps picking Furion and teleporting to enemy fountain -- and then resetting his IP and making new accounts only to do it again.

Very few of the hackers are being reported. If I notice a maphacker ingame (happens every 3 games or so), I check how many games that player has before even considering reporting.

Disadvantages: 1) These games may take longer to fill than an ordinary game. 2) If this bot takes off, it may become more difficult for new players to get games started on bots that don't require a minimum number of games. 3) This would not keep out people who are extremely determined to ruin games and have a lot of time on their hands.

It might fill since it's easymode yes.

Additional notes: This differs from previous attempts in that no minimum elo or linking of accounts is required. All that is require is that a user has played at least 20 games on an account.

Implementation: Name the games something like "[ENT] DotA APEM 20+ #xx"

Conclusion: This would go a long way to creating more consistently high quality games with fewer leavers and fewer ban dodgers.

In what way will this create more high quailty games? This suggestion doesn't cope with the smurfing and dodging issue at all. If a hacker gets caught, he makes a new acc, new ip, stacks 20 games with his mates, and voila.
I think the first step for ent should be to implement rangebans. Right now, hackers are allowed to continue to hack, and nothing is done with all the ghosters and smurfers.

[BurritoCarcass]

YES! amazing suggestion! we have to get rid of this smurfing bullshit (please excuse my language). An AP and APEM bot with a minimum game limit.

[NutzSucksHard]

''The smurfers doesn't care, they will make several accounts anyhow. Same with the ban dodgers, as long as ent doesn't rangeban, this server isn't protected against hackers.''

There's range ban.. But it's touched... Like once karasu banned like everyone ahah!

Agree with the idea. Still, I gotta add : people like to much to pubstomp and stack.. I don't know if they'll play it. Give it a try!

[Palsgraf]

To do this properly, we need to rebrand the bot. The best way to do this is to make all normal bots have this requirement (at least for the major DotA modes), and create new bots labeled "NOOB" for those players who haven't yet reached 20 wins on their account.

Those who try to join and don't have enough wins should be brought to the same lobby that banned players are brought to with a message that they need to win 20 games in order to join and a suggestion that they join the NOOB game.

If we leave it as is, no one will join. There have not been a single HR game in the past week on any mode, and no one has the patience for them to start. Most players on ENT have at least 20 wins on their account, so this would only keep out real noobs and smurfers.

For noobs, this creates an opportunity for them to learn the game in a friendlier environment. For smurfers... well, who cares.

[NutzSucksHard]

Yes but don't call it noob Bot XD... It can be offensive to somes ... <.<

I don't know if it will worth.. Some will not care about these 20 win and just go directly on an other server. It can be a risky move. But, we can't know until we try. I guess you got a good idea there guys. Really wish it will works.

[nabo.]

How about making this minimum 10 or 20 games rule be implemented on all non-autobal bots?
So, new ppl or smurfs with 1000elo start will need to play 10 or 20 autobal games to play normal games.
This should help fix some of the stated problems?

[EdgeOfChaos]

I think autobal bots have 10 win limit too

[nabo.]

Then, remove the limit for autobal games and place it on normal games? I see this rule's main purpose to prevent smurfing. Stacking should not be an issue. Autobal games are for stacking, so they do not really need a game limit.

[EdgeOfChaos]

In A-Bal games, if a 1600 elo joins as a 1000 elo account, it totally throws off how the players are sorted. That is why only people with 10 wins are allowed in. For the A-Bal algorithm to work correctly, people's accounts need to show their actual elo, not a smurf elo.

[I-N-S-A-N-E]

Love this idea. It may take some tweaking but I really hope it is implemented. I prefer the idea of trying to make this the "normal bot" that everyone plays and have a starter/noob bot for people to get to 20 games played. This will make it a real pain for the smurfers/ban dodgers/maphackers so I think the pros outweigh the cons. If this goes into effect could we also change the LoD A-Bal bot over to this? That one fills least of all.