[NWU] Chakra Smasher

[Masamune]

Can you remove the ban on Kakashi/Naruto/Yamato getting smasher now please? The E of Naruto got nerfed which was what made the item stronger.


@Nabo.
@aroundthaworld

[HazarDous]

Haven't played NWU alot recently, but can you elaborate on what makes chakra smasher on clone heros more balanced now?

Yamato/Naruto/Kakashi can still use clones to abuse/stack mana drain, no?

Plus, if only Naruto got nerfed, why remove Yamato aswell?

@Masamune

[matdas]

not really. still glitched to use them. the item still deals 100% dmg with clones and imba unbalanced on them. If clones lasted maybe 7 seconds then sure we could put them back.

Edit: games are much more enjoyable without this abuse imo. The people who want it back are those who abuse it or have friends who want it to be abused.

[Masamune]

@Hazardous if you haven't played NWU in a while, don't even bother replying plz. I did the @ at Nabo and Around (admin who plays) for a reason. Kakashi was Op because he could copy Naruto. Yamato was always weak and Naruto is nerfed.

@matdas
You do know that's only because you can't counter them and I already stated many other ways to get rid of clones. Games are not more enjoyable - wtf - that is completely opinionated. When you have people with people under 800 elo and they play like brain damaged tools, would it be enjoying the game then? NWU is not a good game anymore. There are very little good players now. This item is needed because that's what it was always intended for. Yamato has become weaker with his ult, cage. Naruto's CS was dependent on his E, not anything else. In fact, Naruto is no longer a good character anymore for people that don't know how to play him. Also, banning CS on Kaka now is like banning CS on Kabuto or Nidaime. I'm tired of playing 50+ minute games because people don't know how to build characters properly with these heroes. It makes it much easier for the noobs that play them.

[Masamune]

@Halibel
Your input plz

[ArOuNDThaWOrLD]

I agree with Kakashi since I think there's not really any reason to keep it banned on him. For Yamato and Naruto, well they can easily have multiple clones up at the same time and things can get out of hand. I know @Halibel was working on something for Chakra Smasher on clones for this version but it was dropped so maybe for the next version?

[HazarDous]

Can you remove the ban on Kakashi/Naruto/Yamato getting smasher now please? The E of Naruto got nerfed which was what made the item stronger.

Well, the problem is you posted a suggestion without supporting it at all. If the reasons were obvious, then okay.

But as matdas said, clones still deal 100% damage and CS on clone users is still broken so I don't see why it should be unbanned.


P.S I do play NWU, just less than I used to. Regardless, anyone on this forum is allowed to ask questions so please focus on the topic here.


Furthermore, I think we should wait for Halibel's next version to change this rule as Around mentionned. Not sure about Kakashi so I won't mention it.

@Mew
@BornGolden
@FrankieTheFan

Any thought on that?

[Masamune]

@hazardous
Kakashi shouldn't have CS banned on him because he doesn't use clones and T (other than sharinganing Yama/Naru). Asking Frankie is like asking a baby to differentiate a cube from a sphere. The reasons are obvious. Those heroes have become bland and dull because all they are now is a meatshield. Very little people play them so banning the item on it is completely useless. Everyone plays heroes like Kido/Mei/etc. Kakashi got nerfed with his ultimate which is what made him powerful.

Next version is coming out a month from now or maybe a quick update. Clones don't deal 100% damage LOL what? They deal a certain % through shaving and that happens when people snowball and farm. That's what happens every game for me, Profe, etc. It's the feedback (WITH attack damage) and Kongo AoE that kill people. It's considered "broken" because 'certain people' can't counter it when a good player like me, Profe, World, Kaiten, Lucas, Rido, etc snowballs in the game. I rarely see any DECENT player doing that.

So does that mean Nidaime, Kabuto, Juugo, Sakura etc with Probagation/CS should be banned too? It makes no sense at all if other heroes can use it. The ban on this item is hypocritical if you can just build clones with another item. If that's the case, then CS/Proba does 100% feedback in this argument again. Cool story, tell it again because that statement/hypothesis is invalid and if other heroes can do it as their other base/core build, then these heroes should too.

EDIT: Also, should we ban Illusion runes with heroes that have CS on them then? That'd ruin the game even further now. The only thing that sets off them from the rest is the fact that they are STRENGTH heroes and thus makes them difficult to KILL.

[Halibel]

Let's move towards lifting this ban next version I'll try to nerf feedback on Naru/Yama clones.
Both Yama and Naru clones will take more damage to make countering easier as well.

[Profe]

Cs shouldn't be banned on Kakashi. If he copies naruto his clones aren't as strong since he doesn't have naruto 3rd skill. And with Yamato it's meh still counterable and no one really copies Yamato clones to begin with.

[nabo.]

Yamato and naruto still zzzzzzzzz Just wait for next update.
kakshi is fine.

[matdas]

anyone else notice that those for it are those who always abuse it? just sayin....

And yes, chakra smasher does do 100% damage with clones. If you are referring to the base dmg of the clone itself, you are correct. We are referring to the smasher item. Clones are suppose to do less damage. When they hold chakra smasher, it still deals 100% of the smasher dmg and feed back. Which is way imbalanced. There is no way to counter 4 naruto's with smasher.

I remember all of your "counters." Waste 5k gold to get more mana and mana regen item. Guess what, doesn't work. You still lose all your mana in 4-5 hits per clone. 35x5x4 = 700 mana. And that is only the 5 hits per naruto. Let's say you are a practice doll: 4 Naru's, CS, 25 seconds each, 1 second per attack (way under what it normally can be) is 3500 mana gone. Now that is not for one character, that is a constantly hitting naru. That can be spread between different hero's. Plus clones are redone every chance naru gets during a fight. There is no counter to this. Kaguya doesn't prevent the mana loss, neither does gelel stone. Oh, i remember, kill the clones, not that simple..... clones don't die that easy....

As for kakashi, The stats bonus from the clones is obsolete. Since kakashi can use naruto and yama clones, and has one himself, it still deals 100% chakra smasher dmg. Sorry, but this is still glitchy and imbalanced.

The only suggestion i can make regarding this is to nerf all clone timer and dmg taken. but that is only with halibel's ability. Once clones can die with ease as they should be, then i would be all for clone hero's to have smasher. Since a 25 second naruto during a fight can lets say hit at a speed of 1 hit per second, can take out 875 mana and thats only with a 1 hit per second. Which we know it can be a lot faster. And killing a clone naru with skills is a waste of cool downs in a team fight, which everyone is called "noob" or "dumbass" for wasting it. Let's not forget how many times i've heard that from masa and others. Even I myself has said it when it was an obvious clone...

[Masamune]

Cs shouldn't be banned on Kakashi. If he copies naruto his clones aren't as strong since he doesn't have naruto 3rd skill. And with Yamato it's meh still counterable and no one really copies Yamato clones to begin with.

Kakashi with CS is obsolete.

[nabo.]

We'll wait for next update and decide then.