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Current rule:


Builders are also able to stall. Not to same extend, as easily or as long as titan, but they can still do it long enough to make the game not fun and nice to play for everyone.

Therefor, I suggest that we rephrase the current stalling rule to include builders stalling the game.

New rule:



@Av1oN @Burn @Lynx @ShadowZz @lordmillt @aRt)Y

i like this rule. !support

why? Because it feels bad when ur titan and 1builder left and just takes 10mins for you to kill him due to, tp staffs, tanky, wall Walking battle faerie etc

We never implemented the rule because it defeats the game's purpose. Besides, it is easy to find builders. If they get mag avatar and 10k other things, it's the titan's fault; at least that's why we denied it in the past.

This shouldn't be allowed. One guy without that much gold shouldn't be able to stall the game as long as he did.

So what about players escaping and gathering resources till they can base? Can easily be 15-20 minutes, too.

Watched the replay since it's relevant to this suggestion and honestly, I am very surprised Omni or cloudgnome w.e couldn't kill this guy. I mean, I can definitely see why builder stall can be bannable but this.. this wasn't even a real bad time shredder, it's just a defenseless demon running around the map using his nether warp periodically.

When I think of builder stall, I assume someone really gold fed with egg items, gold towers, buffed walls and lots of teleport staffs which by then, as aRt)Y stated, is the titan's fault for allowing such a builder to acquire that much gold. Honestly, this demon didn't get gold until gp hit which was roughly 5-7 minutes after this whole thing begun, maybe sooner. Meaning, his only way of escaping was by nether warp and nothing else. An equipped level 10 titan vs a 0 gold demonologist.. who's the winner in the end? Sure it may take a little longer than him just running up to the mound and dying but it's no reason for someone to be banned over.

There's also somethings to consider, especially in this replay, a titan can acquire a lot of necessary items to counter this type of stall from a builder more than a builder can acquire the means to escape to begin with. Looking into this replay, I was able to notice some things;
-Titan had a maximum of 4 minions and during the wall-eating of the base above euro, why not take the minions with him? Easy nuke bounce off the summons if not himself.
-Throughout their encounters, why not take an eye of the ocean? If the titan can afford msog, he can afford a 5g item. By the time demon builds a shelter, 4 fruits and a worker to debuff the eye, titan/minions could already be closing in on him.
-During demon's 3rd stall, roughly when GP hit at the shops, why not take a wotw to counter tp? Better yet, why not sell LE and get ethereal mirror? No survival items needed in that point of the game.

My point is, when stalling occurs from a builder, the titan should think of ways to out-smart the builder rather than sit there and go ''Enjoy ban, just lose, quit stalling!!'' I mean, with that much talk, the game could've already been over. Is it annoying? I'm sure it is. Can you win? Of course you can. Shouldn't take more than 3 minutes depending how fed you are.

Edit: (Response to @aRt)Y 's post) I mean, if you let a baser outsmart you for 20 minutes and able to get up a base...... no comment.

^ tl;dr; titan was terribad and failed at basics.

Check replay: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... us#p257729

2 demos stall for like an hour lol

lol @ aRt)Y... What would you have done differently.?

If the demo continues to wall in bases out of range of nukes, till nether is off cd. what could I have done...?

I understand if its a "baser" builder stalling game to get enough lumber to base. but a demo, mag, etc... should not be allowed to stall games.

@OmnipotenT He was in the base above euro and walling while you were hitting, he was in nuke range and you had no minions on you. Also no wotw/eye to counter/reveal so I think I would have done things different..

Gotcha no worries.

ShadowZz wrote:Check replay: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... us#p257729

2 demos stall for like an hour lol

There are obviously such cases which is the reason I havent rejected the suggestion by now. What I want are detailed factors when the rule will apply to avoid possibly win-able games (see jazz's statement) to be banned.

I don't like how everyone keeps talking about titan's skill factor here. Just because someone isn't super skilled, does it mean builders can stall as much as they want? How is that fun for new players (especially titans)? How are you going to get more people try titan if there is yet another reason why it sucks balls?

aRt)Y wrote:What I want are detailed factors when the rule will apply to avoid possibly win-able games (see jazz's statement) to be banned.

Basically if there is only one builder without massive amount of gold (talking about ~200+) and wood (~40k+) they should just give up. Regardless of the feed, I don't think any supporter can solo without game lasting for 2 hours or more.