Here's How to Counter Mid-Lane hard carry Techies
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Sylvanas wrote:Of course, radiance for the hero that blinks in and immediately blows himself up. Or does it glitch and provide aura after suicide death like it does for supernova and panda split?
Is that a glitch? I thought that's just how radiance works, it has a little after effect after the hero dies, usually for a couple of seconds. But you don't necessarily need to die right away. With your tanks and teammates distracting them in a fight and you have cuirass and shiva armor, you're pretty tanky. Once you get in, dropping the mine is instant, but dropping the stasis ward has a casting time, so you will be in the fight for a few seconds.
But you're right, I rarely get it. Guinsoo is much better choice b/c it allows you to support team even when suicide is CD. I've also thought about using mjolnir. So the sequence if done correctly is blink in, activate shiva, drop a landmine, drop a stasis, radiance/mjolnir active... and suicide - doing massive aoe damage and heal allies if you have bloodstone, leaving the enemy severely weakened/stunned for your teammates to clean up. Also, before you died, hopefully you've emptied your mana cache in forms of stasis, mines, and remotes all over the place.
Also, you don't necessarily even need to suicide at times. With blink, you become like any other blink hero, where you can take out supports in the back. In a recent game, they had a lina and sniper doing massive support in the back next to the tower. While our tanks are engaged in the front, I blink past them and land on top of the sniper and lina, instantly dropping a mine and set up a stasis. Before I can suicide, they both ran, leaving their frontline unsupported. I just casually walk back.
I've been playing a little more techies recently, but I'm moving away from suicide tech despite how much fun it is. Trying to get back to the basics on mining and controlling the map. But I still get a blink dagger just for movement, especially people are warding so much now when a techies in the game, so you want to get to sweet spots by blinking over cliffs instead of walking across possible warding areas. Medallion is still an early key item b/c it supports (give armor to ally or take armor from enemy) plus mana reg and there's always a couple of moment where you need that blink suicide to save a teammate early. I prefer it over a soulring.
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What a waste of Mjolnir. If you build it on techies (this is acceptable), you throw it onto the nearest big tank hero who's going to be taking damage, not yourself.
Dagger MOC is just not good. You could almost buy aghs with that gold, and it hardly gives you anything as techies going into mid-late game.. Other things equal, decent players won't get beaten by this, maybe it's fine for clowning some noobs who don't know any better.
Only thing that's a serious issue here is point 1 and linkens bug, which is very rarely abused and banned if it is. The rest are minor annoyances, not comparable with silly balance changes. I do play dota 2 from time to time, but not seriously. The game is quite fun but goofy.
Dagger MOC is just not good. You could almost buy aghs with that gold, and it hardly gives you anything as techies going into mid-late game.. Other things equal, decent players won't get beaten by this, maybe it's fine for clowning some noobs who don't know any better.
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Only thing that's a serious issue here is point 1 and linkens bug, which is very rarely abused and banned if it is. The rest are minor annoyances, not comparable with silly balance changes. I do play dota 2 from time to time, but not seriously. The game is quite fun but goofy.
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EdgeOfChaos wrote:Dagger MOC is just not good. You could almost buy aghs with that gold, and it hardly gives you anything as techies going into mid-late game.. Other things equal, decent players won't get beaten by this, maybe it's fine for clowning some noobs who don't know any better.
I don't know why people insist aghs on techies, I never ever get that item. The theory in most of my plays is to make a hero dynamic. If the enemy counters one aspect, you can adapt and shift your focus and strategy. Techies is limited to a caster but the good thing is landmines and remote are separate in terms of magical and physical damage. All aghs does is give more damage to the remotes, but it doesn't really improve or change the mining strategy. A techies is always prepared around mid to late game the enemy will counter with gem or book and maybe even early with sentry. And of course, the players that goes BKB... walks right over those remotes. Mine laying alone limits the tech and once countered, he becomes really useless.
The reason dagger is so important is because it changes the strategy and element of the tech. One thing many people complain about the tech is that a tech doesn't get involved in teamfights. He just stays back and mine. The blink changes that and allows him an option of engaging the enemy in team fights, such as blink to the back and drive off the support, dropping stasis in the middle of a team battle, etc...
But yeah, I have never actually gotten mjolnir before on tech, if you've seen techs get those, it wasn't me. Neither is radiance. Most games I only end up getting 1-2 level 4 major items, and I've always preferred guinsoo as 1st choice. It is pretty much an expected item on all caster supporters. I hate it when supports don't get guinsoos. 2nd choice would be cuirass to improve the physical damage mines and suicide, and it supports your teammates in teamfights as aura. I rarely have techie games that last longer than this and require more items, I would probably think shiva next, more mana and aoe and nuke. So that would be 5 items - blink, BoT, guinsoo, Shiva, cuirass... last item would be up for grab... maybe a skadi, slow will work on BKB, counters that... hmm... dunno?
I'm thinking lategame, SB catches techies alone, the tech with shiva/cuirass/skadi can survive the BKB. Once the bkb is down, drop a stasis or use a guinsoo, blink out and tp to safety.
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Re: Here's How to Counter Mid-Lane hard carry Techies
nitromon wrote:I'm thinking lategame, SB catches techies alone, the tech with shiva/cuirass/skadi can survive the BKB. Once the bkb is down, drop a stasis or use a guinsoo, blink out and tp to safety.
Very good thinking, works in a 1v1 game for sure
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Aghs is good if you want your remotes to do shit. If you prefer to support in another way, such as Scythe, then that can work too. The main thing I am opposed to is dumb builds like blink+MOC.
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Blink tech is good if you got some kind of aoe stuner in your team.
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WE got'em boys! No more mid-lane techies for 1 week!!! Thank the Lord @Merex God! viewtopic.php?f=24&t=138607
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