Hybrid vs Prophet

[oxoDus]

Hey,

I've played vs @hybrid_ who plays only -hp hybrid and i came up with some idea. I am bored as that (p.s. i am not a hybrid player)

Assume there are 2 playes who uses all towers with 100% efficiency(with same towers game ends in a draw, they're good like that). Then picking hybrid or prophet would be pure luck in both cases. But there are some difference:

Prophet gives you 6 towers and makes you think then build.
Hybrid gives you 6 tiers. You need to know which tier is most effective to build at certain levels, get towers then think.

Prophet includes roll luck then goes knowledge of towers.
Hybrid includes tier luck then goes knowledge of which tiers to build and knowledge of towers.

Now again same 2 people with 100% tower efficiency meet. Give one prophet another hybrid. What will happen? Prophet includes only tower knowledge while hybrid adds tier factor. Obviously prohpet would beat hybrid(remember both players know how to use towers at the same level) because hybrid includes tier knowledge too. But what if both players are equally good at towers and tiers? Then again giving both prophets or hybrids would be pure luck. Now give one prophet another hybrid. Here things start to get messy. Imagine you get best possible roll on prophet which is imposible to beat with any other prophet roll. But hybrid can beat it! If hybrid player get's lucky he gets tons of bonus value(example tier4 outcast +65value or tier6 neotank+55) or get lucky on getting all possible auras. The same opposite can happen, hybrid can lose to worst possible prohpet roll(but i am not sure here, this case is negotiable. I have very little hybrid experience. Just a consideration: maybe by building only tier 2, you'll make worst posible prohpet roll leak enought early to win late, eh? sounds persuasively. But i am not sure here, so i'll assume you can lose to worst possible prophet roll same as you can win vs best possible roll.

Conclusion. It seems hybrid requires more skill since it has additional tier factor. And if by building certain tiers(worst luck) you can beat worst roll looks like hybrid is less of a luck too. But if you can't beat worst roll with certain tiers(and worst luck), then hybrid becomes more of a luck than prohpet since you can either beat best roll or lose to worst roll: [defeating best roll(hybrid)]>best roll(prophet>worst roll(prophet)>[losing to worst roll(hybrid)] . more simple: hybrid>prophet>prophet>hybrid . hybrid "luck gap" is bigger.

In the end a guy who uses all towers with 100% efficiency would beat hybrid player(with50% tower efficiency and 50% tier efficiency) in any mode(hybrid not included). But who would win if a guy with 100% tower efficiency would play vs hybrid guy(50% tower 50% tier efficiency) in -hp hybrid mode. Who wins in hybrid: knowing towers or tiers.(personally i'd say knowing tiers, it's hard to compare though). In my opinion, those two types of players can't be compared. It's like two different leagues. Unless both players are equally good at towers, then the one with better tier knowledge would be considered a better player.

Any feedback?

[Vitamin_Plus_C]

Best reasons prophet wins (AINEC):

1. Prophet doesn't have to build his shit-tier towers. Hybrid does. Wasting 305 gold on a dark priest you put on the front lines, and then again for three rolls in a row is just painful.

2. Prophet can plan on early crazy income based on a certain roll. Hybrid cannot bank on any tower coming in at a given time and will thus will be behind on income unless prophet gets super unlucky two rolls in a row (peasant, servant, harpy, overseer, disciple, dark priest kind of roll). Getting that unlucky isn't likely, but if it happens hybrid should win 100% of the games where this unluckiness happens (unless hybrid copies said unluckiness somehow).

Overall, hybrid takes more knowledge of towers in order to maximize effectively (what tower combos clear which levels so income max can be reached), so I say it takes more skill. With prophet you memorize a certain set of builds you know will work, whereas memorizing it in hyrbid would be nearly impossible.

EDIT:

Forgot another awesome reason hybrid is better. You never know what your opponent has in hybrid. 1v1 this would be so killer since what level you send on it basically random until after 10.

[supersexyy]

In 4v4 Prophet easily wins because you can plan strategies. In 1v1 I guess hybrid may be better on average as its more of an 'all round' race.

[iightfyre]

Agreed with sexyy. With prophet you can plan on building for 14, 17, 20, 24, 27, 28. Hybrid you can just roll t5 and t6 and pray that you get something worth using in the next few levels.

It is because of the "planning" aspect of the game that I believe prophet takes more skill and is more fun to play.

[oxoDus]

It is because of the "planning" aspect of the game that I believe prophet takes more skill and is more fun to play.

Maybe that's what make prophet simplier than hybrid. You can plan everything. On the other hand, thats why i mentioned it is hard to compare, and it's two different leagues. As i mentioned hybrid includes tier factor. I got low experience here, which tier is most effective to build on certain levels.The question here is what's harder to learn ""planing" aspect" or "tier factor" (p.s. hybrid includes "planing aspect", but in a different way i believe).

Hybrid you can just roll t5 and t6 and pray that you get something worth using in the next few levels.

With prophet you can re-roll and hope for right towers to defend certain levels.