1200+ getting more and more toxic

KiwiKiller[QQ] · Postby **KiwiKiller[QQ]** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:26 pm

Recently, there has been some real issues of flaming, insulting, no respect, trash talking and not drawing in 1200+ games.

For instance, on this game - and this is just one example - where people thinking they are pros and that they can predict the future don't want to draw a 4v3 that becomes a 4v2 :

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8454303

Spoiler!

As Warcraft III is a very old game, I expected people playing it to be adult and mature, but it looks like it's not the case. As it is written on the ENT wiki (http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules), ENT's goal is tomake our "gaming experience as enjoyable as possible" which is, excuse me, clearly not the case recently.

Finally, to overcome these issues, i have some proposition :

Make draw mandatory in 1200+ when someone lags out/drop or decrease the amount of players needed to draw the game or reduce elo gain/loss by half in games where a player lags out/drop
and
Having more specific and concrete rules about flaming/insulting and to enforce these rules. or mute a player when he says something in the chat containing some specific words

I don't know if it is possible to ask players to vote regarding these propositions, just like it's the case for antistuck in Mega, but it would be great.

Thank you,
Kiwi

Nore · Postby **Nore** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:06 pm

This idea to make draws mandatory on 1200+ has been proposed multiple times, and never passed for a reason. People losing would just plug pull, abusing the system more so than already. Many people would rather take a 1-2 hour autoban than take a 15 or more elo loss, and that is precisely why this will never come to fruition. It is good in it's concept, but too many flaws overall.

KiwiKiller[QQ] · Postby **KiwiKiller[QQ]** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:20 pm

Making it mandatory is just one of the options i suggested. Also, i think people with bad stay rate percentage get more than only 1-2 hours ban for leaving or pulling plug.

Diablo_ · Postby **Diablo_** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:21 pm

Yea, a dc = draw policy requires a lot of trust into the community. But 1200+ bot consists to a big part of "strangers" (who don't regularly play and have no "reputation") and it would simply be abused too much.

KiwiKiller[QQ] · Postby **KiwiKiller[QQ]** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:25 pm

Still, as i said, i suggested some other things, like reducing elo gain/loss in games where a player disconnect or to reduce the amount of players needed to draw a game. Also, I'm sure admins consider the stay rate percentage in their ban time decision.

SLSGuennter · Postby **SLSGuennter** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:26 am

Well, @KiwiKiller[QQ] the problem is, that kinda all suggestion we had now about this issue would either:
- be easy to abuse for some mates creating smurfs and then pushing somebody all the way top without losing any game (due to pp or lower drawrequirement)
- or bring A LOT of work to the mods (like changing the Elo-outcome of the game and so on (which isnt done on ENT-games for ANY reason)

About the flaming/insulting:
If somebody does so, you are free to !ignore him, (so there is no need he gets muted by the system) ... and recently, at least as far as i experienced, most mods (including me) do start being a bit harsher about flaming/insulting. Especially for repeated offenders.

Anyway.
If you have any suggestion how to improve the fairness on the 1200+bot (regarding leaves/drops) which hasnt been brought up before and being denied due to circumstances making it impossible to implement it, feel free to share it

The 3 things you said in your post all were talked about SEVERAL times and each time they got denied by legit reasons.

milfhunter96 · Postby **milfhunter96** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:00 am

and recently, at least as far as i experienced, most mods (including me) do start being a bit harsher about flaming/insulting. Especially for repeated offenders

haha good joke

warlord1994 · Postby **warlord1994** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:04 am

lol all LTD bots is toxic, i'm never play it any more.
not only toxic people also regulate how u play.
used to play ltd to relax after Lod games. but it no longer the case.
i'm quitting wc3 in couple more weeks.
going to play csgo.

LTDNorb · Postby **LTDNorb** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:52 am

it has been pointless to get angry about such stuff. as long as I have clearly more fun than encounter such incidents, I will keep playing the game.
About a month ago, during round 1 we lose one of our teammates. We got warriored, but the dude had a LoD. They saw that too later on as one of us leaked or two, and they saw 2 LoDs in mid. Mine and his. So definitely no ragequit. No draw, because apparently one of my teammates didn't draw a game vs 2 of them either the game before or whatever (he claims it was over, they should have ff, the others claim the opposite...meh whatever, my other teammate and I weren't in it, so we don't know). So it was payback-time for them.
The other mate in my team and I tried to explain to them what a scenario would look like if we all did the same. From now on not draw for those 2 people etc. You know, that whole hate-cycle, spiraling and getting bigger and bigger, as we upset 2 ppl then who then don't draw for us etc. etc.
They didn't care. They didn't wanna see the obvious consequence resulting from their behaviour (if it is copied by all other LTD-players).

Idiots gonna be idiots. There is no point arguing with them. Focus on the good games and endure the rest until you think the ratio got to a point that you cannot enjoy the game anymore.

elokiller · Postby **elokiller** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:40 pm

Spoiler!

How should I not rage at this stupid fuck, when he ignores calls (which were calm calls back then, no rage yet) and denies a potential win at 16?

All these new newbies make the bot toxic, you can swollow it one game, but if you dont dodge lobby for the next 30minutes (till you find some decent people you know) you will have the same trash (with different names) in the next game.

Kirim · Postby **Kirim** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:52 am

Join lihl if u dont like 1200+, it is usually a better atmosphere.

beroldas · Postby **beroldas** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:01 am

make new bot 1350+/1400+ or something, usually newcomers from mega are ignorants / don't draw games

TinSoldier · Postby **TinSoldier** » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:35 pm

lmao i had to play 2 games today 3v4 cause other team wouldn't draw... one game we were even ahead. Its actually sickening how toxic the 1200 community is now, full of bitches and noobs with an ENT18 mentality.

TeachRolls · Postby **TeachRolls** » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:07 am

There is no real solution for the draw issues raised by KiwiKiller but I've also noticed in my short time of playing 1.2k that the new players are more than often the reason behind games having issues, be it flaming, draws not getting voted or dc/pp's.

Whenever you spot one of these sort of players and tell them that they're doing something that's not allowed on 1200+ or that the games here have a higher sense of sportsmanship - they'll reply "oh kk I didn't know." There's the problem you need to work on. I've noticed each ENT bot has its automatic messages, which aren't imo being used to their full potential. If the ENT admins have access to ENT31's automatic messages they could rephrase and update them into something that encourages new players (and why not old) to drop their bad ENT18 experience and to check out the 1200+ rules asap.

For instance; 'Legion TD Mega 1200+ is an advanced bot for LTD with a different set of rules - bear in mind to check them out on entgaming.net & keep the game fair.' -- 'Gaming is a group experience, please refrain from ruining it for others playing the game.' -- 'Any foul language or play will be punished accordingly.'

TLDR: Update the automatic messages sent by the Bot. Rephrase and update them. They could also be sent more frequently than they are atm. I really can't see this having a downside to it so why not attempt it?

Vendeta · Postby **Vendeta** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:57 pm

Make draw mandatory in 1200+ when someone lags out/drop

You were spaming forum about making draw mandatory, boring moderators with some new rules, etc, but problem is you are one of "no draw" guys in 1200+ bot.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8476284
This is a game which u played 4v2.

So, you just showed what a hipocrat you are.
(25:35 / All) KiwiKiller[QQ]: you could ff

Dont act on forum like you are some victim, you are the same problem on ent like the people u are crying about.

Cheers !

1200+ getting more and more toxic

1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Re: 1200+ getting more and more toxic

Who is online