Potential No Cross LTD Bot

[iightfyre]

Team / Community -

We are currently undergoing construction on a new bot that will host LTD with added rules to prevent mercenary and cross building / double building.

We are in some debate on the ELO system for the new bot. The question is; would the players like to start fresh at 1k ELO and have their ELO for the No Cross Bot completely separate from the other LTD bots or would the players like to have ELO shared between the current LTD bot, Euro LTD bot, Auto Balance LTD bot and No Cross Bot.

Only you can help us decide this!!! Please cast your vote ASAP to help us expedite this process!

[Diablo_]

Starting with new ELO on this bot would only make it less attractive for many players I think as they don't want to start from scratch. I also hardly see any drawbacks for this, balance shouldn't suffer too much etc.

[supersexyy]

Combine ELO, there's already enough charts as it is. Also no auto-balance.

[oxoDus]

Tell me how many of you made high elo without crossing?

Will good elo represent good solo laner? Only lihl players will be not far from reality
(i don't care if elo will be kept or not, just stated my perception)

[Diablo_]

Crossing is a quite new phenomenon (or at least its public usage) and there have always been high ELO players. Pub ELO doesn't mean much anyway tho, it's way too easy to boost, even without merc and cross.

[oxoDus]

Sad reality is that people disrespect low elos. One more solid remark

[iightfyre]

1. Most of the current top 10 (or even 30) pub ELO players got there with no cross building. A lot of us were using double building to defend lvl 17 and 20 for a long time though. Maybe about a year or more since that phenomena started.

Also, most of the top 10 ELO players have been using smurfs for quite some time. It is almost impossible to win more than 1 ELO per game without smurfs once you are over 2k total ELO. I, personally, play with and without smurfs but it is very hard to gain ELO playing solo. A lot of us have done it though. I solo'd my ELO from 1900-2100 approx and from 1000-1900 at one point as well on a different account. The "smurf" factor is mostly because high ELO players are friends and like to play with eachother... it is really not viable to have, lets say, iightfyre + braveheart_wins + lance_armstrong (all good friends) playing together at 2300 + 1900 + 2400 ELO because the game simply isn't worth playing for 0.01 ELO for a win. Hence, we have multiple accounts to play with each other.

* Braveheart_wins is a prime example of no "boosting". He never smurfs and rarely plays with smurfs yet he is 1900+ ELO.

From my experience with 2300 and 1900 accounts I am finding it very hard to play solo (not stack with smurfs) and maintain/increase my elo now that crossing is a big part of LTD. It has definitely made it much much more difficult to maintain 80% + win/loss.

The days of "pub stomping" may be behind us?

[oxoDus]

I agree it's not super hard to gain elo even by solo. I made 100 elo just to make some vouch replays on new name in a day... 1 year(since crossing appeared) is not that short period, especially for nolifers. The question is who's more active now lihl players or high elo(most likely crossers) pub players. Because reaching 1.5k+ with cross(+if with friend) is not realy hard. So games may be so unbalanced even if both teams have high elos. In my opinion there are 2 posible choices: staying in top(by keeping elo), or having more balanced games(reducing elo to 1k) and climb to your own solo level fron the start.

EDIT:^ was for those who wants to remove elo. Now some idea for those who wants to keep elo:

"Balanced game" is a very tricky concept. It will need time in both cases: keeping elo or removing elo. 1) If you keep elo, you will need time untill high elo crossers will fall down. 2) If you remove elo, you will need time untill good players will climb up. In both cases games wont be balanced untill a certain point will be reached.

Overall. "1)" point will take more time and more negative(flaming) emotions to reach "balance" point(in my opinion). Thoerically nr. "2)" should be chosen. Practically "1)" because you have more friends who have high elo and want to keep them. Life teaches that in most cases friendship and acquaintanceship surpass the idealistic trim(don't know if this word suits here, but i hope you understood my idea)

[spoiler=offtopic]I've tried to be idealistic earlier and took "bad behaviour" image here[/spoiler]

[iightfyre]

Good arguments for making a separate ELO bracket. Although I still haven't changed my vote, I can surely see your points ^^

[BeepBoopBeep]

Vote yes, so we can see who can play legit properly

[Feor]

I must admit that I've voted no, It took me quite some time ( rarely people smurfed for me ) to get my elo but to be honest I wouldn't care.

A great addition however would be a required elo to join that bot ( would make pub fun again if you know you cant get many smurfers, or ruiners at all ) of 1300 ( for example ), something like an upgraded version of the previous hr bot ( that we were using before lihl came alive ).

It would give a great option for people who want to just have fun or improve themselves. Therefore I think we should keep previous pub elo as it would be easier for bot to recognise the elo requirement.

[oxoDus]

For making that suggestion it seems that you're not confident with your pub elo and are afraid to fall down dramatically. Secondly what's the point of making requiring entering elo if you cant get 1300 elo anywhere else on same conditions because this bot will be different from others.

Once again i don't mind if elo will be kept, because i got 1310 with 47/35 pure soloing lol, so it would only affect me in negative way )

[Feor]

I've pretty much said the exact reasons I made the suggestion.

But since you need a more clear explanation, let me tell you what 1300 elo on pub ltd means:

- You have a basic understanding of the game, building, lumbering, sending.
- You understand more or less the importance of teamwork.
- You are not a freshly made smurf to boost your friend.
- You are not a freshly made smurf to ruin the game ( me and onslaught once had a guy following us with new accounts to make our team lose ).
- Making the move from the pub to the *new hr* ( let's say ) bot means you are eager to learn more and play in a slighly more challenging environment.


Now if from all of these things you understood that I am afraid I will lose my elo... I just can't see the connection you did. But on the other hand I couldn't see the reason for a lot of the things you've said or done recently.

I barely play one game every 1-2 months so my stats wont be erased in pubs since pubs are so freaking boring. My patience has gone past the point of being able to tolerate more people with 1/0 at lvl10 or any other similar kind of guy that doesn't speak English and won't bother to try and play a team game.

[oxoDus]

I don't know what's the thinking behind for creating this bot. So i won't continue this (I suppose they keep lihl? there u can get challanging games and learn, just saying)

[supersexyy]

I think something like 1100 elo would be better if we were to put an elo requirement.