Refusal to draw after teamate dc on 8

[Jubadus]

lihl96k
Teams were
Ilocos_Norte, Jubadus, Rolders vs tinsoldier, nore]juno, forestone
We get completely outrolled and end up using 3 heals on 7 and Ilocos_Norte dc's on 8. Rolders tinsoldier and I drew game and nore]juno and forestone refused to. Rolders and I held them off to 17 but ofc cant win 2v3 when we cant send enough to kill. I am asking for nore to lose all mod powers on ent @nabo. this is not how a mod should ever act. If he does this in lihl he will do much more outside of it. I am also asking for bans. All I got was flame from other team when I asked for a draw. Rules state a draw must happen if game is pre 20.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=6648384

Edit: Also asking to revert stats back as this game should have been a draw.



(16:09 / Allied) forestone: im not drawing this
(16:09 / Allied) nore]juno: no way
(16:09 / Allied) forestone: sooo fuck rules

Both observers also say draw but nore refuses
(34:05 / Observers) lord_pistov: i said there is rules must draw before 20
(34:22 / All) DON_KILLUMINATI: anyways it's draw 2v3

[TinSoldier]

Couple clarifications:

You didn't "hold us off till 17", 10 would have been GG if u guys had 3 more bosses leak from reds lane (we didnt even full send)

You are right about the outroll, and honestly there was no round you guys could have sent on even with 3 people to make us leak. I had ToK druid, Nore had ToK mutant, and Forestone had Hades and phantom. It was definitely an outrolled game but there is no reason for us to feel bad for that.

Locos DC was definitely suspicious, and likely a PP, and as the game was essentially "won" I can see why Nore did not want to draw. For myself, the win did not matter as much for me and so I drawed it.

Anyway it was a shitty situation for everyone involved and feel free to report locos for the DC as well, considering he didn't even have gproxy on.

[Jubadus]

Couple clarifications:

You didn't "hold us off till 17", 10 would have been GG if u guys had 3 more bosses leak from reds lane (we didnt even full send)

You are right about the outroll, and honestly there was no round you guys could have sent on even with 3 people to make us leak. I had ToK druid, Nore had ToK mutant, and Forestone had Hades and phantom. It was definitely an outrolled game but there is no reason for us to feel bad for that.

Locos DC was definitely suspicious, and likely a PP, and as the game was essentially "won" I can see why Nore did not want to draw. For myself, the win did not matter as much for me and so I drawed it.

Anyway it was a shitty situation for everyone involved and feel free to report locos for the DC as well, considering he didn't even have gproxy on.

O like you did not try to ent on 10? Ok

[Jubadus]

@supersexyy @BA_Fail @BeepBoopBeep @nabo. @KeeRo @Krayyzie @RadiantCrystal @V1rus

[Jubadus]

Ok, since this was obviously coming, let's clear some things up:

1.) I will take the ban for this, but asking for me to "lose all powers" is irrelevant since lihl is a private league completely separate from the normal hosting bots, and you are just being downright salty. I have not abused any "powers", nor have I even really used them in a long, long time, and this game has nothing to do with that... so really dumb.
2.) The game was 100% lost for you guys, and locos clearly did PP(as he never even tried to log back on, and instantly d/c when you leak 90+ on 8 after blowing all heals on 7 with no proxy) Idc for elo, but this game was about principle, so yeah, if people wanna abuse the system to avoid losses, that is wrong and the rule should be changed imo.
3.) Finally, the fact is I draw the line at this; if the rule is so easily abused, then I will do what I think is right. If you had any honor(which rolders clearly did not care either way) you would have just let the game end, but instead you instantly went for draw because you knew you got a free-pass with his PP. Rather sad situation in general.

In closing, I will take whatever ban the mods(plural) think is appropriate, because some things are worth more than playing a game, but don't try to make this more than what it is. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell that the game was lost, and he PP'd. There are things in this world called morals, and right from wrong, which I highly doubt you know anything about @jubadus

Please watch the replay in it's entirety, and read the chat.. all the proof is there. This is the first time ever I have not drawn, when many d/c's have happened in games I would most likely win before. The reason I did not now is simple; this was the sketchiest, most blatant d/c I have ever seen, and I refuse to let such things transpire without a fight. I will appeal any ban I get, and I hope that there is reasonable and subjective judgement on this case. Aka not just one mod looking(like supersexyy), and instantly processing and locking the topic. Thank you for taking the time to read this, I will not post further here.

Fallow the rules and when you are in the wrong don't try to put people down to make yourself seem better. You just end up looking like a fool. I have said this many times to you but all you do is try to get on my nervs day in and day out every single time I am on. That is why I have ignored u for the past 3 weeks. I can pull any game replay that you and I were both in and get proof of this. Now u refuse to draw when it is an obvious known rule. While in game I was chatting with Diablo_ about this and there is no question you will get a ban.

[Miyagi]

@greatbeyond

Nore, as a Game Moderator of ENT you should uphold and follow the rules that are set in stone no matter what the occurrence was in that game. I know it sucks when somebody disconnects when the game was highly in your favour, but it happens to all of us, and we just have to accept it and proceed on.

There is a reason why we have DC penalties.

[Forestone]

ok since I'm in the fire also, I guess ill put in my two cents.

1) outroll to the max
2) clear PP no if ands or buts about it
3) you will all be able to see the words, he took words out of context about the rules. I am for all the rules, I have Drawn all games in lihl. as nore said this was over before it started. the fact that jub who has played legion for as long as I have wants to debate a rule in a game that he had 0 shot is sad.
4) This is my first offense (other then old DCs) but my first in lihl.
5) He said I flamed. I never put him down at all or was rude just said game was over no reason to draw.
6) DC penalties are all fine and dandy, but 5 elo to all when we should get 15 elo each is wrong.
7) I understand the no draw is ban so ill accept what ever you guys feel the need to do.
8) there needs to be a better rule for situations like this. the Draw rule is fair to a point. but to draw before 20 when 90% of lihl games end no later then 15. if norte was lagging every lvl and had proxy I would have Drawed no problem but CLEARLY instant dc when you leak 70+ on 7 and cost 3 heals, then 90+ on 8 to feed the other team. to ask for a draw is a joke.
9) if you check the logs I did draw. after giving juba a complement about allowing us to go to 3s instead of his 2s. but when no more drawed and all he did was kept begging for draw I didn't redo. was no point.

Honestly this post while acceptable is highly unnecessary and what is being asked for is a joke. I know mods will look at this and probably act with what the rules say but I ask that you really look at the game and see the facts that this post is from someone who is salty about the team he played versus and losing his elo. (Sucks to be in bottom 10 I'm there too)

[KinG23]

So.. you're asking for Nore to lose all mod powers in a league separate from where he has access to moderation tools??? That makes no sense at all, his moderation has nothing to do with this. Don't try to dig up stuff just to get this ban approved.

While I would have drawn the game in this scenario, I highly suggest we tweak the draw rules for situations like this. Hopefully the LIHL moderators use their discretion here about "unwritten rules", as was just done yesterday on two separate occasions. (Dong's post for two dodging, and shrimp's dc pen posted for diablo_). Both of those cases were technically against the rules, but neither approved.

[supersexyy]

Letting players decide in game is not a good solution. '100% win' is subjective.

What do you do in cases of 98% win?
What about cases of 80% win?
70% win?
Do all players pause the game and have a discussion about if the game is 99% won or 76% won?

There has to be a line drawn somewhere and compulsory drawing is the only option.

[Forestone]

super, I feel the line is depending on the factors of the game. this case was 100% win. and in any instance of a Draw in a game like this should be discussed not auto draw like he wanted.

if they had 1 heal left after 7 maybe they have a small to medium shot. But with 2 levels of high leaks, no heals , out roll this was a case of no win and someone not wanting to lose elo.

if they had better towers to come back even.

[Jubadus]

super, I feel the line is depending on the factors of the game. this case was 100% win. and in any instance of a Draw in a game like this should be discussed not auto draw like he wanted.

if they had 1 heal left after 7 maybe they have a small to medium shot. But with 2 levels of high leaks, no heals , out roll this was a case of no win and someone not wanting to lose elo.

if they had better towers to come back even.

• If a player disconnects prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player agrees to play on.

Seems quite crystal clear

[matdas]

couple days unvouch for those who did not draw would suffice. DC pen on the dc'er. Everyone wins then....

[Jubadus]

couple days unvouch for those who did not draw would suffice. DC pen on the dc'er. Everyone wins then....

and revert back the stats that they should not have gotten for the win that should have been a draw

[Forestone]

you even said it jub, you were overly out rolled, you used all heals, leaked 8 and had the DC.

y making such a big stink about this nonsense. you lost a game that you had no chance to win. rule or no rule. I think its childish to complain on the no draw. you are mad u lost elo and this seems like an attempt to get at nore for what ever amount of dislike you and him have for each other.

TBH they should add the !ff back to the game, just fix what ever glitches or ability was able to be abused.

no one should get a ban, warning at most.

sorry for no draw but if I was in your shoes I wouldn't have expected one and I would have !ff or stopped building to let other side win, which I have done before.

well enjoy the rest of the topic I'm over it what ever is done is done.

[V1rus]

First of all u simply can't put a number (percentage) on *how sure u were gonna win the game* everybody has a different opinion and thinks his is the obv one and only true one. (would lead to huge discussions/flames after every dc)

> This is why we have this black/white rule about drawing... which I support. !ff rule is another thing and would need a diff topic.

Furthermore everybody was on the bad side of the dc before and thinks he should have get a win instead. Plus most players think that they are more unlucky than others... (its completly random/balanced over a certain amount of games, like rolling the dice, its a mathematical fact. This sensation creates because you remember being on the bad side of a dc stronger and longer than being on the furtunate side of it. especially if it happens a few times in a row)

We never know for sure if ilocos dc'd or pp'd. The only thing that I can say is that he had inet problems and due to that his gproxy didnt work. However I know him as a well mannered, fair player and doubt that he would pp, even it it looked suspicious.

@greatandbeyond
@forestone

not drawing a game that should have been drawn is very poor sportsmanship.. In lihl we should treat eachother with respect and not always expecting the worst of the other players actions)

Both unvouched for 2 days

@jubadus for reversing stats u must ask a red mod. others don't have to power to do that. Its rarely done and an uncommon procedure... (as well as make nore losing his mod powers obv but I think this would need a seperate case with more weight to it)