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[JunZzi]

Theres no point. Keep it here. I know where the forum is. This is about lihl, and a lihl mod, Two things. Why start a new thread for it.


Im waiting for you to respond to this :

EDIT:

we don't unvouch new joins unless they go below the amount of 30 games / month


If you dont unvouch for under 30 games/month, and i have 25 games in 10 days, Why are you saying Inactive, and in general ill be unvouched?

[eldryan]

Theres no point. Keep it here. I know where the forum is. This is about lihl, and a lihl mod, Two things. Why start a new thread for it.


Im waiting for you to respond to this :

EDIT:

we don't unvouch new joins unless they go below the amount of 30 games / month


If you dont unvouch for under 30 games/month, and i have 25 games in 10 days, Why are you saying Inactive, and in general ill be unvouched?

and I did. I don't understand your desire to make this much drama about something this miniscule. If you wish to continue, you can make a post in viewforum.php?f=10

Moving to archive.

[dweiler]

In trying to resolve this and give an answer to the question of mod abuse I will give my opinion (I know I am not a moderator anymore, but maybe this helps):

Eldryan should not say things like that since he is a mod, and people can start worrying about if they can stay in the league when he says this. However, he rectified this in the game chat, and there is no indication at all Eldryan has any intent of moderator abuse and he explained what he said in such a way that there was no reason to think he might abuse his moderator position or that JunZzi should be afraid of getting unvouched:

[spoiler=](01:38 / All) JunZzi: ive played 12 games in the past 2 days and u say inactive
(01:41 / All) JunZzi: good lihl mod
(01:51 / All) EldryanTheWise: because u have played only 25 games since 2 weeks ago..
(02:03 / All) EldryanTheWise: it's technically "inactive" according to standars, noob
(02:06 / All) EldryanTheWise: standards*
(02:12 / All) JunZzi: whats the standard?
(02:19 / All) EldryanTheWise: 30 games / month vouched[/spoiler]


So all in all, no measurements needed.

[JunZzi]

@MickryTheMousie

He just abused his MOD again by Archiving this twice.


And yes there is measurements needed.

There should be some changes to LIHL inactivity rules / Eld needs to be talked to about how he throws out his unvouching standards, and When someone meets them, he still insists that the person is still inactive.

How do you expect more people to come to lihl, when someone is threatening new players that they will be unvouched. Especially when they play more than needed.

[supersexyy]

I don't really want to deal with another thread. I'm sure you can handle this like men, keeping it civil and constructive, then the archive can be used once it is ready.

[eldryan]

In trying to resolve this and give an answer to the question of mod abuse I will give my opinion (I know I am not a moderator anymore, but maybe this helps):

Eldryan should not say things like that since he is a mod, and people can start worrying about if they can stay in the league when he says this. However, he rectified this in the game chat, and there is no indication at all Eldryan has any intent of moderator abuse and he explained what he said in such a way that there was no reason to think he might abuse his moderator position or that JunZzi should be afraid of getting unvouched:

[spoiler=](01:38 / All) JunZzi: ive played 12 games in the past 2 days and u say inactive
(01:41 / All) JunZzi: good lihl mod
(01:51 / All) EldryanTheWise: because u have played only 25 games since 2 weeks ago..
(02:03 / All) EldryanTheWise: it's technically "inactive" according to standars, noob
(02:06 / All) EldryanTheWise: standards*
(02:12 / All) JunZzi: whats the standard?
(02:19 / All) EldryanTheWise: 30 games / month vouched[/spoiler]


So all in all, no measurements needed.

I never said he was going to get unvouched in first place. I just said "inactive", after he says "can't play this game". Literally 1 word. If when I say "send 15" people fear unvouch to disagree, I wish to inform everyone I won't do that. Feel free to disagree.

Anyways, that is the most "abusive" part of that whole chat (which is in that link), as I called him a noob - however I explain in more depth later on in the replay, and explain that is LIHL procedure that he is complaining about my comment on, which is very "noob" complaint for someone who can see it. (Obviously wouldn't call him noob if he's not detracting from my LIHL moderating). Anyways, I've archived this once, as there is no point in continuing this thread which is in the wrong forum.

If you wish to continue, you can make a post in viewforum.php?f=10

@supersexyy this isn't exactly a a constructive complaint... I don't really know what would be "handled" as saying "inactive" is hardly mod abuse, otherwise every mod who posted in this thread is abusing mod.

[JunZzi]

Eld, your not understanding.

You yourself said, 30/games a month for new vouches.

I have 25 in 10 days. And you INSISTED On saying that doesnt meet the standards, And if i dont pick up my activity I WILL BE UNVOUCHED.

How is this not mod abuse?

Im making the standards, and im still being threatened of not being re-vouched?

[eldryan]

Eld, your not understanding.

You yourself said, 30/games a month for new vouches.

I have 25 in 10 days. And you INSISTED On saying that doesnt meet the standards, And if i dont pick up my activity I WILL BE UNVOUCHED.

How is this not mod abuse?

I've explained this quite clearly. I said if you don't play more games, you will get a point in the criteria we have to add a point in the unvouch system. This means you would be classified as "inactive". It doesn't mean you will be unvouched.

[JunZzi]

No, you said if I don't play more games i will get unvouched.

And I explained many times i have 25 games in 10 days, in 30 days i should have around 75.

Why in hell would you say i'm inactive, and try to prove a point, when i'm clearly NOT inactive.

This is MOD Abuse, and as a new lihl player, its threatening to me, if i wasnt a ENT Mod, as i wouldnt of posted here, because i know these rules are complete BS.
I would feel like I would need to play more games then i really need to.

THATS The problem at hand.

[eldryan]

No, you said if I don't play more games i will get unvouched.

And I explained many times i have 25 games in 10 days, in 30 days i should have around 75.

Why in hell would you say i'm inactive, and try to prove a point, when i'm clearly NOT inactive.

This is MOD Abuse, and as a new lihl player, its threatening to me, if i wasnt a ENT Mod, I would feel like I would need to play more games then i really need to.

THATS The problem at hand.

You do need to play more games. And your ENT moderator status has nothing to do with your vouched status.

to quote: (01:51 / All) EldryanTheWise: because u have played only 25 games since 2 weeks ago..
(01:54 / All) BRRJ_S.Dragon: y cant u play?
(02:03 / All) EldryanTheWise: it's technically "inactive" according to standars
(02:06 / All) EldryanTheWise: standards*
(02:12 / All) JunZzi: whats the standard?
(02:19 / All) EldryanTheWise: 30 games / month vouched

The standard is 30 games per month. To not be considered "inactive". Nowhere is it said "I will unvouch you if you don't play more". I can tell you are threatened. Blaming it on everything else isn't the solution.

[JunZzi]

No, my ENT Mod status means i know a little more about the ENT rules then the normal player, Hence why im calling you out on this.
I don't want favouritism because im MOD, I want LIHL To have fair mods who don't throw out treats for completely no reason, when the person who is being threatened, MEETS the LIHL standrds.


EDIT:

Still not understanding. If i need 30 games in a month, and i have 25 in 10 days in that month already, Any considerable person would assume id make the 30. It only makes sense.
But your threatening me with the rules, saying if I don't make it ill get a "point" against my unvouch??

[eldryan]

1. That formula wasn't used

And anyway 70 games is 23 games a month, why would you round up to 30 lol

This was for 2 months. As you planned at the time and I explained here: "For shorter seasons, it was 70 games for what was at the time a planned 2 month season. "So we're approaching what was supposed to be the end of season 2 (2 month season length)." From supersexyy's announcement (which was made after the unvouch post)."

[eldryan]

No, my END Mod status means i know a little more about the ENT rules then the normal player, Hence why im calling you out on this.
I don't want favouritism because im MOD, I want LIHL To have fair mods who don't throw out treats for completely no reason, when the person who is being threatened, MEETS the LIHL standrds.


EDIT:

Still not understanding. If i need 30 games in a month, and i have 25, Any considerable person would assume id make the 30. It only makes sense.
But your threatening me with the rules, saying if I don't make it ill get a "point" against my unvouch??

Threatening you with the rules. I believe that puts me in the clear....

However, you believe people make assumptions about players they've never talked to before. I wouldn't categorize that as reasonable. Disagree civilly and ending this particular debate.

[JunZzi]

Its still threatening, If a new LIHL person joins and you threaten them with the rules. Its the same thing. Its Abuse of your MOD,

Its the same thing as me threatening to ban someone for not doing anything.

In this case i havent done anything wrong, But yet your allowed to threatened my LIHL vouch, and call out my activity.

[dweiler]

I am starting to feel like the discussion is based upon a semantic misunderstanding. Here's my reading:

Eldryan tried to state that with the current stats JunZzi would be defined as 'inactive', since he played less than an X amount of games, not taking into account the amount of time vouched, and what can be expected in the future.

JunZzi sees activity in a relative sense, that is, games played relative to the amount of time played, and expectancy of how many games played, and not taking into account the absolute number of games played, and is active in this way.

So while JunZzi can be seen inactive when viewed in an absolute sense, he is (very) active in a relative sense. This means nobody is right nor wrong.

I'm off to bed now