Balance

[m4dnix]

Hello guys, i am new here at Forum, but i have been playing ENT games for a while. I must say that i was tempted to make this thread because i believe that many people would like this thing changed, or implemented if anyhow possible.

well, the problem is, everyday i see non-balanced games, where 3-4 guys with high ELO joins a team and pwn the other team without any problem.. and for example, if in the opposite team there is a great player, what he could do alone when he has bad players in his team? also, i have seen so many times people switching teams because they are scouting high elo players and they are rushing into their teams, which is if you ask me so bad... there should be !balance option added, if that is even possible? I am not sure if anyone here complained about this, but thats just my opinion, and i think that this option !balance would make many people happier and more tempted to play ENT games..

I hope that my opinion will be read and heard, and any answer would be nice from you guys, looking forward to solve this problem in the near future, cheers!

[adventureclub]

The thing is, most people care about their "stats" more than the actual game. This creates people trying to get all the better players on their team. However, you can actually learn from playing against a team that is better than yours. Either that or most of the time, people who stack have elo that misrepresents their actual skill. (so they are worst than they look) Therefore, you can create an upset where you win a lot of elo. As for balance, We can't do that because friends, of course, will want to play together most of the time.

[uakf.b]

Auto-balanced games would be interesting, where the game is balanced when the tenth player joins, but what modes should it be?

[m4dnix]

Oh, adventureclub, i totally understand you, but mate, no matter how good i am, i will always lose against them because i have no team behind me, they feed in early game, and not to mention that i am mostly after EM games because its faster, so you know what iam talking about, well... there must be something that could solve this problem? for example, on eurobattle, you have bots where you can use !lock command to lock your friends in your team.. is there any possibility to make anything simillar? or, if nothing else, why you guys just don't simply create games which will be "Balanced" (auto).. so no teams, no drama.. all good, skill wins and teamwork, not feeders and the opposite.

Just to reply on other guy post, does not matter what mode, anything is good, just to be balanced, the most fair gamemode in such situtation should be all random (AR), right?

[adventureclub]

Well, I know the cash t2 games balance themselves. perhaps make the HR games balance themselves. That way, better players wont mind if friends are on opposite teams because its a higher level game. Also, this might help people join HR games.. knowing it will be balanced etc.

It also usually balances itself right before starting so no one can really move around/ditch.

[uakf.b]

They do balance themselves or at least they are supposed to, without bugs. Unfortunately this has not been tested...

I meant auto-balanced games that are not HR.

[adventureclub]

I dunno. Maybe it gives an incentive for people to get qualified to play HR?

Ofc its not gonna fill instantly. Not even cash t2 games fill instantly. Usually gotta wait at least 10-20 minutes for a game, but the quality is a lot better.

[uakf.b]

I don't understand, what are you saying? HR games are already auto-balanced. Maybe we should add non-HR auto-balanced games because HR is not popular.

[adventureclub]

im saying no because that would even further make hr games empty. Maybe people don't know HR balances games. I didn't even know.

There's really no point in balancing pub games because no one will even play them because the whole reason they stack is to win. Why now, would they oh decide to go play balanced games? Only the decent players with skill would want to play the balanced games which would probably mean they qualify for HR games. The only reason its empty is because no one wants to wait that long for a game.

[m4dnix]

Adventureclub, dont get me wrong, but you are so wrong about non-hr balanced games, here is the example;

I made a new account 2 days ago, i have been playing 2 days in a row each day 10 + hours because i have a lot of free time, i have already around 30 games, and i didnt go above 1050 ELO, not because i am bad, its because i always find 2 guys with 1,500 ELO in the opposite team and my team always fail at the early stage of game, and its over for us since its the "EM" mode.. so, if you want friends to stay together and play, i hardly believe that there will be 4 or 5 of them in same team, well yea, 2 friends or 3 is closer possibility and more real then 4/5, if you understand me? On eurobattle where i used to play earlier,you see guys in normal pub games with 1800 PSR (ELO) and does not matter who is who, because games are always balanced there, and if you want, you can create your own games with their bot and lock your friends in team, but people are used to !balance command, and you can check with the command if team is balanced or not, so you leave if you see that there is no balance, simply as that.

The reason i am not playing there is because of Turkish Maphackers and there are more leavers at eurobattle which i dislike.

Anything that could fix balance would be great for ENT games, you cant lose anything, just gain more players.

[adventureclub]

Adventureclub, dont get me wrong, but you are so wrong about non-hr balanced games, here is the example;

I made a new account 2 days ago, i have been playing 2 days in a row each day 10 + hours because i have a lot of free time, i have already around 30 games, and i didnt go above 1050 ELO, not because i am bad, its because i always find 2 guys with 1,500 ELO in the opposite team and my team always fail at the early stage of game, and its over for us since its the "EM" mode.. so, if you want friends to stay together and play, i hardly believe that there will be 4 or 5 of them in same team, well yea, 2 friends or 3 is closer possibility and more real then 4/5, if you understand me? On eurobattle where i used to play earlier,you see guys in normal pub games with 1800 PSR (ELO) and does not matter who is who, because games are always balanced there, and if you want, you can create your own games with their bot and lock your friends in team, but people are used to !balance command, and you can check with the command if team is balanced or not, so you leave if you see that there is no balance, simply as that.

The reason i am not playing there is because of Turkish Maphackers and there are more leavers at eurobattle which i dislike.

Anything that could fix balance would be great for ENT games, you cant lose anything, just gain more players.

You misread what i posted. I didn't say we would lose anything, just the game would never fill. Just like the HR games. You will sit in the lobby and wait for players for at least an hour or two. Honestly, 1500 elo players aren't that great. Even 2000 elo players aren't very good. As long as you know the game, you're basically 2000 elo regardless of what your stats say. Elo won't really accurately judge a public players level of skill. Don't be afraid of 1500 or even 2000. If you want less noobs I recommend non-em games. Usually you will find better players in those modes.

I don't want to say you're bad, but I see players and notice good ones when they are winning against these so called "stacked" games and have 30 games with about 1400-1500 elo.. or at least if they go 15-15 with about 1200 elo or so... that's when I know they are good. Playing with a friend and having 1500 elo, to me, means that it would be an easier win than a true 1500 elo player.

However, if this is something you are truly interested in, I believe uakf.b would actually create a mode where this is possible. I just don't think you'll be satisfied with the game lobby time since most of these players actually LOVE stacking games lol.

[m4dnix]

Adventure, i totally agree with you, but, do you know what are the first words when they see a guy under 900 elo? NOOB, idiot, get lost.. blah blah.. some players are not guilty because they are always in bad team and its so unreal to expect from them to win the game alone, this is a teamplay game, not running alone and pwning everyone, its not how it works actually, and you know it, and also, i am aware that people like to hunt ELO and improve their stats, thats the mostly reason why they stack, but out there, you can find players like me, i am more of a team player, i dont like playing alone and being raped because my team won't help or gank.

So guys, if you don't mind, lets try anything with balance, and see what happens, if it turns out to be a bad move, you can always remove the bot or whatever it takes.

When i get to know more about ENT and its whole community, and i get what it requires to apply for the staff team, i will be applying, for sure.

[adventureclub]

Okay. Well I think uakf.b is willing to put one up to try it out. I'll let him get back to you. And yes, there are people that judge by elo. But let them be ignorant lol.

[m4dnix]

Nice, great news. Looking forward to it. Cheers!

[uakf.b]

There are now DotA auto-balanced games for RD and APEM.