Anti-Stucking in lihl Games

[Jubadus]

I was susp about a few actions that units have been making recently so I dl the DRM, I have had games set up to auto-save forever so I spent about 30 min going through previous lihl games... I found that in 20 of the games 8 different people were using anti-stuck in them. I am not going to name any names right now but it is annoying as hell to me that so many "good" players still try to cheat and get an upper hand using a banned method. Just putting this out there... kinda pathetic.

[Diablo_]

Lame. If the same player is using it multiple times you should report them imo. One time usage ... fine w/e maybe it was by mistake.

[vicdcq]

NO
REPORT ALL NOW PLZ....SRSLY
but be carefull...some times ppl anti stuck when they r seeing the another guys units on the "shadow"...i anti some times by mistake but the games is stoped no units spawn etc....

[JunZzi]

What diablo said is true.

If someone is abusing the feature, then report.

But if its only once every so often, It could of been by mistake, or just forgot you cant AS in LIHL.

@vicdcq We shouldnt ban everyone who Antistucks, especially if doesn't happen very often, Just someone who Abuses AS

EDIT:

Rephrased what I said

[vicdcq]

yeah plz report AS...beep got banned for 1 month cuz of dat...so if beep got banned why shouldnt other players get banned too?
i also get 3 days ban for my first as but i was new....rules r rules =)

@junzii
as can change all game...like on 10..u can not use heal if u as on mid...so its unfair...1 or 2 times doesnt matter this can cust a game!

[vicdcq]

@junzii i also got banned on my first week on lihl cuz AS...so i used once and got banned i didnt abuse... =(

[JunZzi]

@vicdqcq

Let me clear up what my intentions were with what I said.

If someone Anti-stucks their lane, and it has no effect on the game, Don't ban.
(Lets say I accidentally AS my wave, I forgot I couldn't AS, Don't ban for that.)

BUT, This is where we should be careful, Because if I AS my wave once a game, every game, Then that is clearly abusing the AS Feature multiple times. This should be banable.

If someone AS Their lane on lvl 10, or AS Middle lvl 10, which can make the bosses pause for a second, Then that should be banable.

Both cases, they only Anti-Stucked once a game, one has barely any effect, the other can determine you holding your lane or not.

@vicdcq I dont know what happened in your case, But if it effected the game, Then the ban was justified.
And beep got banned because he was spamming it every game, so his ban was justified.

[vicdcq]

that is what i am saying...if as used for still gold on lanes or help on mid cuz split is bad it should be bannaple doesnt matter abusing or not =)

[eldryan]

@Junzzi It's not that clear-cut. If you Anti-Stuck your wave even once, it can effect the game - for example, anti stucking 17 to hold it, anti-stucking 16 to not leak so no DD, etc. then sending for the win 20. There is no need in LIHL to anti stuck every wave as no one underbuilds x 10000 without wanting leaks, and even one anti-stuck will be banned, if it is on units.

[Krayyzie]

Imo just post antistucks and games , If someone does antistuck by mistake, its simple to write in chat "oh fuck, i antistucked by mistake, sorry" and 99% of the players in this league would just let it go, just as if u by mistake pulls someones units, but if u stay quiet about it, its a clear try to get advantage by doing it...thats my thoughts anyways...

[JunZzi]

@Eldryan

No I understand, But someone who anti-stucks to hold, is going to do it multiple times in a game, over multiple games.

If theres only evidence of only one antistuck, And its a mistake, now this mistake can be, HE Meant to anti-stuck to try and hold his wave, But it was an accident, by this I mean he fucked up, he known he shouldnt of anti-stucked.

One anti-stuck wont hold lvl 17, It might pause a demon for a split second, but if your going to leak lvl 17, your going to leak it.

Im not a lihl moderator, You guys make the final decision, im just giving my opinion and point of view.

[iightfyre]

a) If a player uses AS with the conscious intent of gaining an advantage in the game it should constitute a ban.

b) If a player uses AS because of a general lack of understanding the rules and it is their first and only time using AS, I believe we should not punish it.

c) If a player uses AS once by accident every once in a long while we should not punish it.

Just my 2 cents. In reality, all AS use that is found will be discussed by mods and handled on a case by case basis.

PS - I've noticed a lot of people using AS on towers in the middle (on lvl 10 for example). We will be watching this closer and holding people accountable in the future not to use AS in the middle.

PPS - Thank you Jubadus for starting this thread and bringing these concerns to our attention!

[eldryan]

@iightfyre hard to "accidental AS". Like "whoops i clicked anti stuck, and WHOOPs, targetted boss, whoops did again".

I don't care if gaining advantage or trolling opponents level 10 middle, ban will be same based off intent.

[iightfyre]

Yes.. you can "accidentally" AS. AS is used in pub games and some people may have a habit of doing it and accidentally do it in lihl once in a very long time. It will surely happen. I guarantee it. If it is done more than once it is not an accident, that is for sure.

[JunZzi]

@iightfyre

Exactly. Dont ban someone if they AS in one game, especially if it was only once in a blue moon.