Hand of Midas

[BlackSpade]

Oh my gosh... 4 pages of useless debates!!! honestly midas has its ups and down, just like any other items! based on game circumstances..... so to say midas is bad or good doesnt really matter because every game of dota (even if you play same team with same line up for 100games) it doesn't matter! games are still going to be played differently some way/some how.
its more of how you utilize your choice of item/items during game phase.

[-lothlorien]

Thank Wisla and everyone else! I won't buy this item on every hero anymore
I do undertand it a lot better now. The topic has fulfilled its purpose. thx.

[whatafaka]

it takes 11 min and 40 sec to earn the gold back, so if u and ur team are okay in the meanwhile it's okay
it gives more xp (and solo xp), so good for xp dependent heroes
it slows your first and second big item but fastens your 3rd and 4th (and 5th) item

few heroes i 'always' go midas with: furion, arc warden
often: void pl tiny invoker and some supports when u get good money

[I-N-S-A-N-E]

I won't go on at length about the obvious here, but if you boil it down to its simplest explanation, midas is all about.. Can recoup your investment quickly, was there something better you could have spent your gold on, and are you screwing your team by getting it and not being more useful? Seems to me that it's very difficult to check all those boxes in -em games, and even when you can I usually prefer going radiance instead. At least with radiance when you emerge from your period of farming/uselessness then you will have something to offer in fights.
My favorite hero for midas (-em games) is jungle naix, because its easy to farm and the attack speed is great as I usually follow it up with a basher. Furion is great for it too, other than that it becomes highly situational for me.
Never thought about this for Tiny, I always address mana problems first but this seems interesting since he benefits greatly from the attack speed. How would you follow that up build-wise? Does this shift him into more of a hard carry role?

[pwnd.lazy]

it takes 11 min and 40 sec to earn the gold back

Hey bro, you didnt consider that ranged heroes can get the 190+the gold of the creep (and also the original xp+the bonus). HoM can be abused if your skilled and thats why its one of the strongest items around.

[pwnd.lazy]

Ha you did! Well done bro. But srsly this is not true for your fav midas holder pl
I will explain the math to the more simple minded:
If you take just the +190 u need 11 uses or 1000s of cd which equals 16min 40s If you add an average of 80 gold from the creep to the 190 bonus you can do it in roughly 8 uses or 700s which equals 11min 40s!

[whatafaka]

except u dont get gold for the creep u convert, so its 700 sec.
and yeah i get midas on pl and naix often too.

[pwnd.lazy]

you can get gold for the creep you convert bro so I gave you false credit...

[supersexyy]

No, it's flat 190 isnt it??

[pwnd.lazy]

ranged heroes can get the 190+the gold of the creep (and also the original xp+the bonus). HoM [url][url]can be abused if your skilled[/url][/url] and thats why its one of the strongest items around.

you might wanna reread this. or search my games where I play furi on euro. on us the delay is too big to do it. also google was recently introduced...

[supersexyy]

That's a glitch then, because it's not supposed to work that way.

[pwnd.lazy]

Its not! It has always been like that and if your as is high enough you can do it with any hero. Its part of the game like using vacuum to trap people on cliffs...

[Shadows]

U are not supposed to get any extra gold if u use midas... Read item description..
"The gold given is reliable gold ( you do not get the normal creep bounty) " So it is glitch.

[pwnd.lazy]

I dont see whats wrong with the description. If you just use midas on a creep you dont get the bounty, if your able to kill the creep before midas hits you get it. Not from midas but from your attack. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[supersexyy]

Yes, that's a bug. It's not in Dota 2.