try out new standard mode?

[BA_Fail]

I was wondering if we can try out a new mode for a few days and see how it goes. It will get rid of the yolo and overbuilders, which should improve skill level all around. Also building delays won't be as effective in this mode.

I am talking about making leaks that go middle being worth 0, and I believe the mode is hphgcb, but am not sure.

Either way it could be a nice thing to try out for maybe one day, and if people don't like it just go back to the normal mode.

[skillerinstinct]

It got my vote! Make a poll about it maybe? Seems to be the only way to make changes really happen.^^

[JunZzi]

What does HG Do? If i may ask?

[iightfyre]

GG = Leaks that go to the middle have a gold bounty
HG = Leaks that get killed by the king give gold to all players

The mode that BA is suggesting would be -hpmmcb I believe.

PS - I don't really see the benefit of changing the game mode. Suicide incomers assume a lot of risk and the bounty % that their leaks give is generally very low. Just my thoughts on the matter.

[Krayyzie]

Im not sure however those modes would work out, however, it Would probably remove some of the overincome and leak plays and require more skill, on the other hand it´d remove alot of possible strats where teamplay is needed (this removes some teamplay in a way).
Atm I would be for a test of this kind, mainly because when the current meta of the league is 80-90% of games ,people try to win on a level they are 100% sure about dying ( race), then there is something wrong. Even worse when a team got a big advantage and got units to hold those levels, they rather race than play to win.
Not sure which of those modes would be best tho My personal favorite moves to remove the current league problem would probably be

1: Remove delays
2: Try -hpmmcb ( no gold at all mid or king?)
3: Try -hpggcb or -hphgcb

[dark_magician]

-hphgmmcb(x3) is what you want, no GG mode.

Worth trying if everyone agrees (I would!). I think games would be shorter with this mode... which would be good for when people have to go soon or whatever.

[supersexyy]

No GG mode would indeed be more 'balanced' - in the sense that it discourages any type of leaking. I think this would be a good change and is definitely worth a trial of some sort.

[JunZzi]

I wouldn't play LIHL if no GG.

[iightfyre]

-hphgmmcb(x3) is what you want, no GG mode.

This would suffice also. The only thing that HG mode gives you when GG mode is turned off is simply this:

"Sends" such as wyvern, blood orc, demon, etc - still have bounty distributed when they are killed by the king. Really an insignificant difference between -hpmmcb and -hphgmmcb
(I've played -hphgmmcbx3 and tried this out myself)

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Personally, I am still against removing HG or GG. This isn't the problem with the LIHL. The problem is winning the game on a level that you leak significantly more than your opponent.

[JunZzi]

Lets try ARGMCB or SDGMCB, That would be interesting

[Krumme]

I am very sceptic of this since I've come to enjoy the tactics behind incomers and holders instead of everyone doing their best and then don't have the towers for it so they leak regardless and then can't do a damn thing after 10 because they didn't kill enough and have alot of value with crap towers but I can't say no without having it tried so I am up for a testday or two =)

Could also try out other modes but I think that would ruin LIHL tbh.

[vicdcq]

i like prophet cuz we have a lot of different ways to build....sd or ar or also ap could be monotonous no?

[Diablo_]

I was always interested in no gg games. Trying it would be cool.

[Krumme]

I think removing this yolo/holding strat permanently is a bad evolution of LIHL tbh. - sure I get your point with the best player gets the most ELO but being third is not a bad accomplishment :p!!
Joke aside I think this current meta of LIHL can be countered by not sending lvl 1-2-3 if you don't have anti 7 towers and go HARD 5 - this way they WILL kingleak ALOT and without stomp or shockwave you will have to king or burn 1-2 heals - if they DO have stomp or shockwave you can rego 7 if you have immo or start kinging - this way you can counter the yolo guys and holding guys on 7 (in theory but guaranteed not always in practise)
With that being said I think this gets people to do the most with the towers they have and makes ALOT of towers usefull on early lvls instead of being somewhat useless (prisoners, nightmare etc.)

[BA_Fail]

Let me just clear something up, I am not arguing against yolo/holders because it is too strong. I am saying that it literally takes no skill, which is what this league is trying to stay away from no?

Before it was necessary to at least have some idea how much gold you get from levels. People were supposed to plan for almost every level, and not getting a wisp as early as possible would hurt them in the long run. With incomers and holder, yolo doesn't even try to hold, if it was at least trying to leak as few as possible it would take some skill. The holders are holding onto about hundreds of gold EVERY level until 7. The only planning involved here is maximizing the use of one or two towers instead of trying to mix them up.

If this is the path the league will take, might as well have the only requirement to get in be the ability to listen. Would bring activity back up, and that is seriously all it takes with the incomer and hold strategy.