New Vouches

[eldryan]

There is a system that many games use some sort of variation of, which can help alleviate this problem, it is somewhat along the lines of what eldryan suggests.

Basically new players start at an elo level say 800, but they have a pool of 200 elo. Each time they win a game that individual receives double elo (taken from the pool) until the pool is zero.

This is similar to eldryans suggestion but is more streamlined.

this might not work well if they get higher elo then they deserve from winning with high elo players. scaling would be more complicated for it if you wanted to scale the amount the "pool" gives after a certain elo (if they are 900 and getting 30 per win, mb a problem). i recommended 800 (or higher if ppl are emphatic on the matter) because I think that's where they start out at, :S

both suggestions are much better then current imo.

[StreetWeed]

Eldryan there is no need to try to talk me down on the forums now just cuz u got mad at me earlier.
and for your statement that i didnt start great ill just give u little insight once agian how my score went

Season 3 = went 5/0 right away by ONLY playing 2v2 and i ended with a score of 11/7 which i believe for a new vouch is starting good.

Season 4 = Went 3/0 then lost a game 3/1 and now im at 6/1 so agian dont try to call me a noob on the forums just cuz u got mad about the 5 straight losses u had vs me ( 2 lihl 3 pub (with 3v3 lihl players)

there is no reason for u to take this little conflict we had on the forums.

bottom line i dont like u, and u dont like me. so plz get over it alrdy....


To everyone else i'm sorry that i had to make an untopic post, but i wont let this dude try to talk me down on the forums.

[eldryan]

Eldryan there is no need to try to talk me down on the forums now just cuz u got mad at me earlier.
and for your statement that i didnt start great ill just give u little insight once agian how my score went

Season 3 = went 5/0 right away by ONLY playing 2v2 and i ended with a score of 11/7 which i believe for a new vouch is starting good.

Season 4 = Went 3/0 then lost a game 3/1 and now im at 6/1 so agian dont try to call me a noob on the forums just cuz u got mad about the 5 straight losses u had vs me ( 2 lihl 3 pub (with 3v3 lihl players)

there is no reason for u to take this little conflict we had on the forums.

bottom line i dont like u, and u dont like me. so plz get over it alrdy....


To everyone else i'm sorry that i had to make an untopic post, but i wont let this dude try to talk me down on the forums.

plz stay on topic.... [spoiler=]I said what happened, u went 11/7 - not great, not terrible. u are 6/1 this season, but it's more then 2 months after your vouch - it's not like you just got vouched for the first time.[/spoiler]
@diablo_ if you are willing to do it manually each vouch, I believe forum mods can implement c if you alert them/make matdas an LIHL admin.

[Diablo_]

If that is what the majority wants I would be up for doing that (taken ENT makes it possible). But as this suggestion also got some drawbacks and can't guarantee any improvement we will need a poll to see what people think about it.
New vouches might be better than 800 ELO in which case it would be more unbalanced.
If someone goes 10/0 he probably deserves to be at 1150 ELO and not at 1100 or w/e after the boost.
On the other hand, if someone goes 30/20 he perhaps doesn't deserve to be at 1100 ELO after the boost.
Etc.
Some imbalances might get reduced, others will get bigger. And on top of that more work just to maybe reduce a minor ELO imbalance related to newly vouched players. Meh ...
New seasons and the fluctuation of ELO of every player for sure have a much bigger impact than the 1-2 new players we get per week.

[Krumme]

"he lihl players in many cases make them bad by pushing them to do things th vouey´re not use to, and then they loose because the newches are in situations they have no idea how to handle.."

@Krayyzie - this statement right here is my entire argumentation behind observing games/replay or doing it in public before joining LIHL. Many of the new vouches don't know half of the stuff that is being done at LIHL and when they get on a team (in a 3s lets say 2 guys have great towers to hold close to all lvls) and then the rookie has medium/bad towers -> he will have to income to balance the team out but he doesn't know how/feel comfortable doing so because he didn't expect that he was supposed to know how to do so
I still think observing a couple of LIHL games is a must before joining

Regarding the 800 ELO at start (maybe 850 is more reasonable?) and having the rest as a pool to gain from - is a somewhat nice idea and definetely worth a shot

[vicdcq]

man @beepboopbeep should aprove all players first before they go to lihl...just cuz beep rocks!! hahaha

[pewpew lasergun]

replays dont tell the full story because they r cherry picked

imo mods need to play with vouch requester else we might have sinking ships @@

even someone practice good for lihl meta on pub, its not the same

they need adapt to lihl sends, which changes how u build

aka 3aqua in pub r1, 4 aqua in lihl
they dont know and it screws up their entire game

and put all new vouch in 2s team up with eld, they will like it :p and eld will luv it ^^

[eldryan]

and put all new vouch in 2s team up with eld, they will like it :p and eld will luv it ^^

this already happens. u/wolf/1006/etc. all play first 2s games with me.

[Krumme]

I hope you all have finished your conversations - if not please pm me and I'll reopen the thread - archiving

EDIT: Reopening by wish

[abcdefghij]

Good idea to watch replays.

I stalked Supersexyy for first 2 months for CivWar replays

Now I play LTD; and I watch alot of BeepBoopBeep replays with LIHL.

Wrote down the yolo build order for the main types; human, warrior, aqua, nightmare........ and flying machines (this one is just AWESOME )

Best games are when Beep & Bugatti team up to write random letters to each other & this 4v2 replay;

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 613291.w3g

Maybe in another 4-6 weeks, I apply; but given I can choose replay - already I can show yolo with flying machine ^>^

Perhaps use no-cross bot for trialee's in 3v3 or 4v4; better than seeing chosen replay... anyone can look good in 1 or 2 games !

[eldryan]

who is this @abcdefghij ?

[Hutzu]

@eldryan : I think a future applicant. Nobody that we know of so far.

[supersexyy]

He's a guy that improved very quickly in civ wars, well mannered and improved by studying some of my replays. As civ gets less popular lots of players are now playing legion and do quite well. The ones in lihl are me brave iznogood and eldyran.

[abcdefghij]

He's a guy that improved very quickly in civ wars, well mannered and improved by studying some of my replays. As civ gets less popular lots of players are now playing legion and do quite well. The ones in lihl are me brave iznogood and eldyran.

Hey SS, hope seeing the world is treating you well & thank you for the kind words

[eldryan]

I'm pretty sure I've done stuff with you. Are you AAAAAAA or ASASASASA ?