Love@uswest / Evol@useast

[jew]

Really? As recently as one week ago you said you didn't like arty. What's changed?

[spoiler="June 1 2014"](15:28:45) Love: I have an issue with you making me out to look like bad member of ENT, I want to talk about htis when I'm done with my game...
(16:05:17) Love: Ugh arty just left
(16:05:21) Love: I needed to talk to him
(16:05:38) Love: He is making me out to be a very bad person on the forums
(16:05:41) Love: and I want to talk about it
(16:05:55) Love: Because it is bothering me and he is making me seem like some person who's always wrong
(16:06:21) Love: vie?wtopic.php?f=31&t=31638
(16:06:28) Love: I compare this to a school yard bully
(16:06:33) Love: arty says its a bad comparsion
(16:06:39) Love: when people com[pare these kinds of things
(16:06:40) Love: to murder
(16:06:44) Love: he says nothing
(16:06:59) Love: He is alwaays quoting me
(16:07:05) Love: and pointing out how wrong I am
(16:07:10) Love: when I am not
(16:07:23) Love: Off topic:
Love wrote:
So we should ban everyone who starts an unfair votekick? The number of ban requests we get would go up 5x in size at least.
(16:07:31) Love: How is that off topic at all.............................?.................................?...................
(16:07:45) Love: It has to deal with the issue of ban requests, which is what we are talking about
(16:08:09) Love: Perhaps you should have read diablo's full post.
Love wrote:
why should we care... It's a personal issue now
I did real diablos post obviously, it is infact his post that led me to believe that it was a personal issue
(16:08:23) Love: Staff members are supposed to care for the community - at least those who are on staff. How can it personal if it isn't directed at you?

Love wrote:
But they don't send every kid who says "I'm gonna hit that kid" then doesn't do it, to the principle. If they did they would be sending kids to the principles office all day.
(16:08:42) Love: How does this relate to being personal at all?
(16:09:04) Love: I can't PM him becuase he will just ignor eme like he always does
(16:09:10) Love: that is why I don't like him
(16:09:18) Love: he ignores me when I try and figure out why he doesnt like me
(16:09:31) Love: Not to mention he is putting words in my mouth
(16:09:40) Love: i cant even comment and defend myself because he's moved the top
(16:10:45) Love: Im going to PM him telling him to refrain from quoting me unless he understands the context inwhich I am speaking becuae he quotes me, then says that I'm wron gwhne he has mis interpreted what I am saying, he then moves the topic and I can no longer defend myself... It's a bit annoying
(16:12:18) Love: at least those who are on staff
(16:12:19) Love: This
(16:12:22) Love: pissed me off though
(16:12:29) Love: He is making fun of the fact that im not staff
(16:12:47) Love: Rubbing it in my face, and that is an issue
(16:19:52) Love: Well PM sent time to file a complaint
(16:20:29) Love: ApomTom what do you want, tell me now or not at all becuase Im going to write a complaint in a minute
(16:21:47) Love: Im gonna go write the complaint. Can a red move a complaint that is against them?
(16:22:01) Love: Great
(16:22:02) Taboo: ask yondaime
(16:22:05) Love: arty will just move it to processed
(16:22:06) Love: zzz
(16:25:35) Love: Arty
(16:25:39) Love: Keeps making me seem like
(16:25:41) Taboo: wat
(16:25:44) Love: I am always wrong and useless
(16:25:49) Love: not to mention
(16:25:54) Taboo: thats how arty rolls man
(16:25:55) Love: He has rubbed the fact that I am ex staff
(16:25:56) Love: In my face
(16:26:01) Taboo: no need to complain
(16:26:06) Love: vie?wtopic.php?f=31&t=31638
(16:26:14) Love: He only quoted me in his last statement
(16:26:19) Love: Making me sound like I caused all thej drama
(16:26:27) Love: Not to mention he rubbed the fact that I am ex staff in my face
(16:26:37) Love: "at least those on staff" when he was quoting me
(16:26:52) Taboo: so?
(16:26:54) Love: He quotes me when he has no idea what he is talking about
(16:26:55) Professoroak: Ooh burnt
(16:26:57) Taboo: thats true
(16:26:58) Love: So it is getting on my nervs
(16:27:01) Taboo: you're ex-staff
(16:27:04) Taboo: no denying it
(16:27:09) Love: but he doesnt' need to rub it in my face
(16:27:12) Love: liek mushroom does
(16:27:19) Love: It is very immature of him to do so
(16:27:23) Love: and I am tired of it
(16:27:23) Taboo: but you dont need to complain about it
(16:27:29) Love: I am cooperating with what he asked
(16:27:35) Professoroak: i would defiantly complain love
(16:27:36) Taboo: look
(16:27:36) Love: I am working hard to get back on staff
(16:27:40) coldfire786: )
(16:27:41) Love: but he keeps fighting me on it
(16:27:45) Taboo: dude
(16:27:52) Taboo: you cant fight to be on staff
(16:27:58) Taboo: fighting doesnt get u anywherre
(16:28:00) Love: Wrong phrase
(16:28:04) Love: fighting to make myself
(16:28:05) PLus: We need a peaceful protest
(16:28:08) Love: what arty asked
(16:28:10) PLus: Get out your signs
(16:28:18) Taboo: Just dont complain
(16:28:20) Love: Arty asked me to change and so I am
(16:28:21) coldfire786: >:-D
(16:28:21) PLus: We need to solve the real issue here
(16:28:22) Taboo: i wouldnt take it serioiusly
(16:28:24) PLus: Moving the id forums
(16:28:30) Taboo: its a minor slight, if a slight at all
(16:28:39) Love: Its not a slight
(16:28:41) Taboo: hes said far more obnoxious thinfs before
(16:28:42) Love: when he treats me differently
(16:28:45) Love: becuas eof personally feelings
(16:28:46) Taboo: dude
(16:28:48) PLus Peaceful protest
(21:32:02) Love: I would but I'm not a GM lol, though I might re-apply tonight because it seems arty is away
(22:38:02) Love: but timmy I think that if I re-apply late this week I will get accepted so long as arty doesn't close my appeal right away. I think that a decent amount of the staff think that I'd help .-. though our staff is kinda weird right now, we have more reds than greens[/spoiler] etc etc you literally had to be talked off of the ledge/from going nuclear on arty

In the same chat you were still rude to some random pub? Isn't that part of why you were demoted in the first place?
[spoiler=](19:56:20) butterz1919: thx admins for not believing me
(19:56:51) Love: butterz1919@uswest.battle.net is banned until 2014-05-31 20:06:22 CST
(19:56:55) Love: Calm the fuck down man
(19:56:58) Love: It's just an autoban
(19:57:06) butterz1919: dude i didnt disconnect from any games today
(19:57:11) butterz1919: for real how can that happen?
(19:57:19) Love: Except you obviously did .-.
(19:57:22) butterz1919: dude
(19:57:27) butterz1919: im telling you what happened
(19:57:33) ChatBot: TimmyTheTauren logs out of the Chat.
(19:57:34) Love: see here's the thing
(19:57:38) butterz1919: all im asking is for benefit of doubt
(19:57:39) Love: The bot doesnt lie
(19:57:43) Love: You, Im not so sure about
(19:57:44) butterz1919: and check into other people having problems with glich ont hat
(19:57:48) Love: but what I do know
(19:57:52) butterz1919: WELL I KNOW IT DOES NOW
(20:00:34) Love: Butterz shh I'm helping someone with a real problem right now. You've been told the outcome of your case. Deal with it[/spoiler] Seems that he had a real problem?

What's to stop you from making the exact same mistakes you made over and over and over and over again when you were staff? Even though by the end you said you were using your "checklist" but even then you were still making the same mistakes??

[BouncingHitman]

why do you guys make shit so complicated
as long as he doesn't fuck up while he's a mod I see no reason to deny him. summer is coming.

[Love]

As to the arty talk, that is totally unrelated. I hold no grudge against arty and I do not think what he did was wrong. On the other hand that conversation was upsetting because he was openly making me look bad, of course I took initiative to stop this. The way he was making me seem was not the way I actually am. That has nothing to do with him demoting me o-o on the other hand it has everything to do with him only quoting my mistakes. As these situations are totally different I don't see how it is relevant to bring it up here. I've PM'd arty asking him to please refrain from making me look like I am always the one who is wrong (Though in some cases he is correct). Situation has subsided and seemingly been resolved.

I got upset with the pub because he continuously asked for help over and over when it was obvious that he wasn't going to get help right away. Him constantly asking was not helping and I was in the process of helping someone else at the time. Then there's the fact that what I said was not untrue at all, the bot does not decide to randomly screw people. I also told him that I was not able to look further into his issue because I didn't have access. So I switched my focus to someone that I could help despite not having access to administrative settings. He CONTINUED to complain and that's when I got a bit upset. If I recall all of the staff in chat were afk

Uh... I haven't made any mistakes yet jew my checklist hasn't even been implemented... Both of these situations that you just stated have absolutely nothing to do with the checklist that I have...................

[jew]

as long as he doesn't fuck up while he's a mod I see no reason to deny him

because i dont have enough fingers and toes combined to count the number of times we had to fix something.

@love while you were staff didn't you say you had a checklist you went through for all of your stuff?

[Love]

@jew I made sure I didn't do anything that arty listed in the "Failure" section of the PM he sent me. Which I didnt do any of those things but that's in the past now. The checlist I came up with about a week and a half ago. Maybe closer to two weeks. Not entirely sure, most of my failures were mistakes made when using administrative tools.
EDIT: and I think that you are being a bit excessive about the fingers and toes remark .-. but that's just me

[jew]

So if you were accepted back, how many mistakes should you be allowed before you are pruned?

[Love]

Depends on the mistake but that's not really for me to decided now is it (:

[child]

Well, art)y, I support(ed) this app because I have seen a decrease in the arguing between love and others as well as consistent activity and more calculated judgements.

I'm not so sure now seeing the general tone of this thread starting to tread towards arguments/drama and that seems a shame because he is being rather hard pressed about his past mistakes -- although I guess that's part of the process.

[Love]

@child drama is not being started, people ask questions or make statements and I am responding. Where are you seeing drama here?

[eldryan]

He seems to have, in my time knowing him (only since he has been de-modded) been respectful and careful in his addresses of issues concerning ENT and discussions with staff, including those he has had "issues" with. Taking a conversation he had with a pub complaint is out of context and not detrimental to his behavior as a mod, since in this conversation he was discussing matters as a member and not as a mod. Were he a mod, he could say something like "I will take steps to double check the ban's validity, and post in the thread. I will tag you once your issues have been taken care of." or along that line. As a member, it's just discussions about it, where he has been mostly insightful and careful in his posting even on threads not relating to him.

!support

[TimmyTheTauren]

hi

We keep talking about a "checklist" and that this "checklist" will help you with ban protocol and decision making.

Can you list what exactly this checklist is? An exact copy from wherever you have it saved would suffice.

[Love]

@TimmyTheTauren It's just the list that arty pm'd me as a reminder. I don't have it written down though I just have it in my head but here

Verify Correct User Name
Verify Correct Realm
Verify TID
Verify Ban Length
MH--
Double Check Click

[eldryan]

@TimmyTheTauren It's just the list that arty pm'd me as a reminder. I don't have it written down though I just have it in my head but here

Verify Correct User Name
Verify Correct Realm
Verify TID
Verify Ban Length
MH--
Double Check Click

you might want to edit this onto the first page, just to save everyone the mystery cliffhanger of reading 3 pages.

[aRt)Y]

@Love The evaluation of your application has been postponed by ten days. You'll hear back from us once we resume our discussion.