Panda Change

[Carnerox]

For me I'm liking all these ideas but the one I'm against is on-hit stun. That was suppose to be on earth panda orginally but it turned out to be to strong. Now imagine that on a wall.

That's completely understandable. Another idea could be to change the % to hit stun to a % to pulverize?

Pulverize?
Like an AOE attack?

[LightBlue-]

Yea its like % to yield a splash attack. I think the tauren builder can research the ability (can't remember).

http://classic.battle.net/war3/orc/units/tauren.shtml

(Orcs Ladder)
Pulverize (Passive)
Pulverize gives the Tauren a 25% chance of dealing area effect damage on their attacks.

It could be scaled to.. Pulverize works ~10-15% of the time. ~25% increase attack damage on the attack and does ~85% AOE damage.

[pandaren.]

Artys and lightblue Idea seems nice

[theorchero]

lol because a wall that attacks, deals chaos and aoe damage with 1250 HP and 25 armor would be balanced

[LightBlue-]

lol because a wall that attacks, deals chaos and aoe damage with 1250 HP and 25 armor would be balanced

Remember Carn* will work on costs, ~%damage, etc. All I am doing is presenting him with viable ideas and options. The % damage, and estimate cooldown times are just a estimate. If I remember correctly, panda walls already have chaos damage, the only buff that we would be doing is allowing them to be upgraded again to have a pulverize ability and more damage, which imo should be viable.

I am unsure how Carn is reworking costs of walls, but I assume it would be like
-300-325 base for the wall.
-T1 Golem Upgrade would be like ~150.
-T2 Golem Upgrade would be like ~200.

If the walls seem to be too powerful when combined with pandas abilities, then we could always lower the walls base armor, hp ,etc.

The main balance issues could involve comboing the pandas ultimate abilities with other races. I can see storm Panda + Pirate being very powerful. Maybe, Fire Panda + Dranei. I would definitely like to see 3 panda players each choosing an element and basing.

[Stealer]

We should probably avoid going back to the days of stun locking (see old radio towers).

[Ryld]

remove panda entirely

[badgerwss]

I love the idea of separate pandas. Being a ID player a lot. I think that Earth panda should more less be a strength type with no attack mostly strength . lighting very easy to kill but op in tower. and fire more less both