Battleships Drama/Suggestions Explanation

[Win3]

Keep like 2-3 accounts with a roughly 200 elo range and you can balance it however you want.

[matdas]

Or we could do what we did with NWU. If they can't handle stats, then remove them completely. Then you can stack however you want, feeders will still get banned. Losing means nothing. Winning means nothing. All that would matter is the fun.

[Win3]

I'd be fine with the above, but keep k/d

[yeo]

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:Rules

@Cambrioleuse There is no need to show that to me, b.c I understand them. I just want to give you an example how actual gamers behave. In fact, some people knew them, but they still broke those rules for their own benefit. Isn't it? btw, I am also curious. How do we report with proof if someone attempts to prolong the game in lobby?

People would just move every x time units depending on what the kick time was.
Dota has a similar thing to let people kick afk but people do things to avoid it.
If people afk, report them.

@Cambrioleuse I do not know how Dota works. All I am going to suggest that, if people had been afk for the first 15-20min since game starts, bots should automatically kick them.

Sometimes it takes too long to be full house. Let's say if some gamers enter lobby and switch to other programs(e.g facebook, youtube), they forget wc3 is running. Will it be fair if they receive ban due to this? In bship game, not many people want to votekick afk people (e.g enemy people, people who do not understand English). Can we also send ban request for those people? I doubt. Therefore, bots's kick will be more sensible and fair.

Please stay on the topic. Discussing bans in bship seems too much for this topic to handle. The reason for this one is elo, auto-balance and any other concerns the OP stated.

@aRt)Y Sorry, you have confused what this topic is. Topic is written,"Battleships Drama/Suggestions Explanation" which means including everything about bships.

@tom_b I feel your anger, my boy. XD

I was asking why people dont wanna play versus other players unless they are seeking for their own stack which obviously doesn't seem possible due to auto-balance.

@aRt)Y This one is obvious. Some people want to bully noobs for fun. I still remember some clan members had told me,"I just want to have my fun!" Piteful to the beginners, isn't it?

Or we could do what we did with NWU. If they can't handle stats, then remove them completely. Then you can stack however you want, feeders will still get banned. Losing means nothing. Winning means nothing. All that would matter is the fun.

@matdas I will enjoy that.

I'd be fine with the above, but keep k/d

I agree.

[aRt)Y]

Updated poll for the new question. (Old poll result here).

Removing ELO would be as it currently is for NWU and ID. ELO will still be updated for each game but isn't used as a measurement.
As for any game, you can still access elo via the website and stats commands, regardless of ELO being visibly activated or disabled.

[TheGuyThatAKAs]

The best option would be to use auto-balance for the public battleships games. I like the suspense at time of launch in lobby wondering who might be on my team. I like the challenge in the game because the games are balanced. Right now, without auto-balance on, most games are essentially over within minutes in a stacked game, because after the newbies feed and leave there is no time for recovery, and on top of that, the newbie played horribly so when they do leave the other players get next to nothing. Just take a look at the last 20 games at the time of this post and ask yourself this question: Do those games look fun?

Stacked games have crippled the entgaming battleships community. If they want to stack a game then they can use your hosting system to host a game and stack all they want against people willing to join said hosted game, but to let them stack a public game and ruin it for the majority of ever shrinking players is absurd. SHUFFLING MUST BE APPLIED TO ALL PUBLIC BATTLESHIP GAMES IF YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A FAIR AND FUN GAMING COMMUNITY.

I've asked this question before but it is worth repeating. Is entgaming here to host to some 30 self-proclaimed bships pro trolls or the rest of the community which numbers in the thousands. Those administering should think long and hard about the consequences and repercussions of catering to such a small minority.

[TheGuyThatAKAs]

Just an after thought. I don't think ELO is the problem. I would accept the challenge of trying to reach a high rank in a more challenging and fair framework.

[TheGuyThatAKAs]

against someone they don't wanna play.

The reason of that being?

Reason of what being? That people might perhaps leave the lobby prior to the game starting? Well, people will leave if they disagree with the autoshuffle decision as they frequently do, hence my point. This leads to longer starting times for pub games as people cycle endlessly through the (unrecorded, I might add) lobby to wait for favourably stacked pub games. Im honestly not trying to be rude or sarcastic here, I just don't know what you're trying to point out/struggling to comprehend

I didn't notice much of a difference when auto-balance was on. Yes, I seen the same self-proclaimed bships pros cycle in and out of the lobby when they got a shuffle they didn't like but tough luck. I also seen a bunch more new players play multiple games, instead of the usually stacked game where its wham, bam, ty noob, and you never hear from them again.

Not quite sure as to why you're so anxious to split what has come to be a general discussion about the bot and the general misplay/poor sportsmanship that has been happening into multiple topics. Sure, a few OT ban/inflamatory posts but it is honestly unlikely you'll ever see people congrgate and post as frequently or as vehemently about this game as they are doing now, whats wrong with everyone getting it out? Discussion is good, particularly as so many posters seem so polarised between rule choices, "pro" or not. Also, many of the admins seem to be somewhat misinformed with the generally accepted rules of this game, more discussion might help to alleviate that

I agree, I'd like put everything back on the table for discussion except for the parts about the bans. Bug abuse is a critical part of the gaming rules. If it is going to happen then there should be excepted rules on what is allowed and what is allowed should be fair.

[TheGuyThatAKAs]

And as the name suggests, I do AKA daily for the following reasons: to avoid trolls that I have whooped in the past looking to troll my game, to play against players that would bail a game if they seen my 95% win average. I could NOT care less about ELO, I know I am good at this game- but is that really a good thing:)

@TheGuyThatAKAs I know you are putting yourself as an example, but I have to state something. There are many people (actual players) who can keep more than 95% win average. It isn't so difficult at all once you have understood what to do/ what to avoid in game. Therefore, there is no need to show off your 'win average'. Other words, I dislike the way you introduce yourself. Forgive me, if I am rude here.

I know, the 30 self proclaimed battleships pro trolls I stated in the post , and a few other nice guys hold such accounts also. It was an intro into the topics I choose to discuss in my post and also some background to let the viewer know that I've been around the island more than the average bship player.

I help newbies learn the game

@TheGuyThatAKAs 'Telling people to hull up', do you state that as a help? If so, hmmm, i had helped many people for years. lol

I teach them many things, but a few are:
1)that saving for the super weapon while just playing with the starter cannon is silly.
2)how to burn
3)what not to buy
4)how each ability works and how it can save your team. An example would be how captains cannon and crusader net and destroyer beacon can break destroyer board, which is a big concern since dest is hot right now.
5) where to buy items like shells, better wood and repair crews, super ships.
6) new traders about mutli-trading.
7) how to share damage and work as a team using abilities in combos.
8) about invisible units like crusaders, subs, and smoked ships
yes, I teach them to hull up and stay topped off because sader is also a hot ship, and the list goes on.

[TheGuyThatAKAs]

The lack of responses to serious questions regarding battleships pro only affirms what I have been saying all along.It isn't DOTA - the entgaming mods couldn't care less about battleships pro.

[Stealer]

?
You guys spent most of this thread insulting each other / circle jerking. Not seeing questions imo.

[nabo.]

Personally, I do not really care whether there is elo or not.

But, if you guys want to teach others or share knowledge of the game...

I am pretty sure that we will gladly make a subforum for bship and you guys can post guides and Q&A: viewforum.php?f=27

[abcdefghij]

Question;

Could you do the reshuffle at the last 3 seconds for game start? And then use the unknown function ingame.

That would solve the majority of issues no? You would remove the choosing if you like the reshuffle & not know (unless you ask) who is / isn't on your team.

[uakf.b]

I thought the main issue is you couldn't play with people you wanted to play with.

[nabo.]

I dont see any more activity with this thread nor further enough votes that can represent the voices of the community as a whole.

Archiving.