hello

[Diablo_]

well, it's impossible to tell if a player adapts in pubs. what would they adapt to? a big send on 3/7 as opposed to a smaller one? knowing how to build with pure terrible rolls and still be going intense (as was mentioned earlier) is also well above knowing the basics. I haven't watched the replays, but based off this thread players are expected to not only play well but innovate and make new tactics inside the game - which is very rare even within LIHL.

Adapting like ... if the other team sends level 2 you don't have to overbuild level 3 anymore (which many applicants do), or if your whole team stays 3/0 with decent towers for level 7 you shouldn't do that aswell (again seen very often). Doing ok/fine with a bad roll is part of basic knowledge imo. About playing innovative/creating new tacitcs, you must have missunderstand this, no one expects them to do that xd

Not saying your points aren't valid but lets focus on helping Alan - so please make it specific instead of going big perspective =)

Yea, let's stick to Alan('s replays) now ^.^

[Qvist]

Well if u dont wanna see Archer replays? What other units are there to play xD

[MarshMallows]

Yes I am only soloing now.

In regards to needing help with archers aquas and mortars. Im pretty comfortable with playing those units, i was pretty much just asking if there was anything i was doing wrong, it seems that, to be very good you need to focus on the small details and not just the general build.

for instance archol gave me the tip of getting a few melee T1s behind your units to tank instead of infront, this spreads the damage better, I just played a game with spawns where I did this with gnolls on 5 and it saved me having to up the spawn to a dragon aspect which is something i personally don't usually want to do ever. I passed the wave no problem and was able to push more pre 7 than I would have been able to otherwise.

Thank you for the guide goats. My general play with archers changes depending on my teams units, if I feel I need to hold 7 I would go 5/2 with 5 archers and get some T1s (4 to 6 depending on the T1 I have) hold of the satyrs for a little bit giving the archers time to kill, if I feel I dont need to hold (have immo or others are built strong) I usually go 4 upped archers with one t1.

I find it strange that you arent looking to train up new recruits. I used to play counterstrike 1.6 at a high level, and the more teams in a lan competition the better and I was always excited to have someone who wanted to learn. it's what kept the community fresh and strong. wc3 isn't exactly new and although you have a good pool of players in the lihl, I think the idea of training that was said previously is a good one.

Went through the meat wagon "undead" yolo with archol the other day and have been watching some lihl games and replays, so I am trying to improve with the less popular units, but playing those builds in public games just doesnt replicate the same situations as playing in the lihl would and that is why I am posting here for guidance.

[supersexyy]

We do accept lower skilled players if we believe they can improve quickly. Obviously there has to be a cut off point where you need to have a good understanding of the game before getting into an in-house league.

Only a week ago I played you and you had a double cross team against our team all solo. If you're serious on improving I hope you actually are playing only solo games now.

[MarshMallows]

I was drinking and watching movies while playing legion with my cross partner time-forpain that night. other than that I have crossed once in a beta 3.5 game that was just for fun with Mariah and Archol.

I would have thought that me starting this topic and taking time to get coaching would prove that I am serious enough about improving. at the same time, this is a game and I am not going to start getting stressed out about legion, I play to get better and have a good time.

That was a fun game btw, shame my valuer was so drunk lol, he insisted on getting thralls even though we knew you were going 27. kept telling him to rr but he just kept making mojitos instead

[Qvist]

Play solo, get 5-1 after 3 go 5-2 or higer after 4 and get 7-4 and hold good 8 and get 7-6 try hold 2-3 bosses. Do this with any Unit. And i support.

[MarshMallows]

challenge accepted.

[MarshMallows]

wow so close....

did all u asked but there was 2 velen alive one on under 500hp

will upload replay when game done

[MarshMallows]

There you go.

Got a DD on 17 and leaked 3 golems and the 2 demons.

We ended up winning then on 17 but maybe because green was a merc on our team :/

Was a 23/24 elo game for us i think

[bugatti_veyron]

Well first and foremost, i'd say that the reason for the somewhat negative comments here is that every LIHL players hates cross with a burning passion since it's just an abomination that single handedly ruined the pub bot experience for all of us. That being said, playing units like aqua/archers/mortars is sort of like flying on auto pilot alot of times but there's always room for improvement even with that. I'm sure that after playing solo for a couple of games you'll see that this game is way harder than cross makes it to be.

[MarshMallows]

Yep, the game certainly gets harder when you solo.

I don't apologise for crossing, I didn't know any better and now that I want to get better at the game I am now soloing.

[MarshMallows]

I find it almost impossible to progress through public games.

You go 7 6 pre ten help everyone up for 10 have 250 income for 13 and when they send your team mates who said they can cover fail and you leak 100 to king and we lose. On the flip side I get ygg or harlot and tell people with aqua and archer to go yolo and they get 5/1 for 7 and try to hold 10, the pub quality just is not good enough to get better, there is no way to progress. Some of bits games were okay but the only good game I have had in the last 3 weeks was on the 1100+ bot vs 4 lihl players. We got owned fairly hard but at least we got to 27.

I am gonna continue to solo as I find it more fun but as for the lihl, I have asked so many for help as received very little helpful input. You complain about the lowering standards of the lihl and yet when someone as keen to learn as me asks for help I receive little to none.

I understand you feel like you want people who are ready to play to join, but that just is not going to happen very much.

I have enjoyed watching your games and will continue to try to get games on the 1100+ bot,

I wish you all the best and hope I am welcome to continue to view your games as I enjoy seeing the higher level of gaming.

I am also very willing to be taught if anyone has any time and is willing to teach me. I was getting taught by archol but I have not seen him in some time online.

[Diablo_]

I think you have received quite much feedback/help already. You shouldn't expect us to "babysit" you until you are ready for LIHL tho
If you really want to join LIHL and have the ability to get to that skill level (not everyone can) it shouldn't take too long to be ready for it. As we said before, watch LIHL replays, observe games, ask people to play with you, ask questions whenever you have some but don't expect to get a personal trainer for you, as most likely no one is willing to do so and it also shouldn't be needed.

I agree that it's not easy to improve in pub games (hence also follow above suggestions), but that's also why we don't set the standards to be vouched too high and rather want to see if someone seems to be able to improve fast enough. And that's exactly the problem with you, you didn't seem to improve at all from your first to your second application.

Also, whether you win or lose in pub games have no real affect on whether you improve or not.

[MarshMallows]

I am gonna have to disagree with you.

Going from my request to how I play now I have come a long long way.

I didn't really go 100% solo until I started my 2nd vouch request and in these last few weeks I have improved hugely. From not knowing how to solo at all to carrying a team vs a 4 player vouched team. by 20 I had similar is not more value than the noob crossers on my team in that 1100+ game, I held (and saved) the team on every big send level and had good income and lumber throughout.

I have watched replays and viewed games but the best way to get better is to play and playing vs terrible clueless people is useless. I doubt very much you all got good from playing alone, you traded tips and builds to get better and to evolve.

As for you thinking I received a good bit of feedback, I also do not agree, the majority of the replies I got were bordering on negative and as for me expecting a personal trainer, I do expect that when someone says they will be one to me, is that not logical?

Anyway, this post is to let you know that your general attitude is why your league will not be growing in the future. I am not trying to be negative as I think the lihl is a great idea but when it flops in the future from lack of activity and people rage leaving, don't be surprised.

[MarshMallows]

Some replays to update you guys on how my play has changed.

All feedback welcomed and very much appreciated!