Do you get ban if merc leave before 31?

[lupin]

Can anyone show me that rule, if it is exist?

[bit]

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntGaming:Rules Do not leave before the game has certainly ended, especially if no other players have left.

The general rules apply to any game hosted by ENT except abrogated by game specific rules. Violating them might result in a warning, a temporary ban or a permanent ban.

If someone decided to go merc or only income, they should deal with cons. Leaving before 31 like that is very unfair, so it's a game ruining.

[lupin]

Thanks bit.

[GiganticTree]

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...contradiction?

[aRt)Y]

Officially added: http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=EntG ... &oldid=600
Leaving in general is banned by the system; in the case of merc abuse, the mod may overwrite the ban.

@bit @agreements

[TheLumberfetish]

i think thats wrong. 90% of the time when there is a merc in game it is when the incomer switches at lvl 17 to save the team. (Usually its already in a 3vs4 situation when this is the last hope to maybe win in lvl 20 but then u dont have a chance when he leaves on 4vs2 sendings in 31 anyway)

That means:
1. they are already behind and will be behind even more for the rest of the game since merc will be weak after 20.
2. He steals much gold from the valuer making him weaker
3. If the incomer doesnt go merc he can have more or almost same value as the original valuer. Thus making them much stronger to hold vs 2 waves then if incomer left and valuer fights 1 wave (even more cuz of sends and auras)
4. Fighters will most likely split on 31 in the case of incomer/merc leaving. (split meaning 1-2 rows will just stand and not move/fight)

Even with merc leaving in 30 it's most likely a loss because of the above.

As long as this map does not allow merc to build in 31 he must be allowed to leave.
Why should i have to stay in a game if i can not do anything? That does not make any sense and staying should be treated game ruining not the other way around.

I can accept one restriction tho. Merc may leave if he does not send for 31. Meaning he must leave before lvl 30 starts.

That should be fair for all. Otherwise i think you are crippling the map and you limit strategic options and variety for the sake of personal hate against a specific option in the map!

€: i even checked, last week i played 4 games where an incomerer went merc on the opposing team and left in lvl 30. I didnt lose a single one of them.

[nabo.]

@diablo_ @goatsbegone @krumme @1005

Would like your opinion on this topic.

Thx

[Krumme]

My opinion will be affected by the fact that I despice people going merc

I do not think we should let people go unpunished for leaving a game on purpose as a part of their strategy
Leaving should be an unfortunate event in one way or the other and knowing you will leave at lvl 30 if you haven't won before that is abusing game mechanics imo
When you pick merc you know you will get a short term advantage (basically unbeatable if you aren't completely retarded) and thus should also deal with the disadvantage at lvl 31 - you know you will have this disadvantage

Yes I do think leaving at lvl 31 should be banable beyond autoban

[GoatsBeGone]

This is a fun topic, as krumme said allready, yes it should be punished, how hard I cant judge, but the fact is that you can get a win from a game by leaving, thus you tried to seek an unfair advantage the entire game by swapping merc.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=4145617

This game 1005. went merc, (on like 26 or something) and left on 29, to avoid a lose, although we still won with a merc a encouraged our merc to leave aswell as I was fairly sure it wasnt banable, he stayed, and we won. I concidered to report it, but after reading rules on ent wiki, I was sure that I would get reply that "autoban" will do the job.

Bottom line is merc leaving to avoid spawns at his place shoudl be punished.

Maybe you should even concider banning merc entirely, since the most of the community is against, only the few people who use it game after game to win(dungeonseeker I remember). However it will ofcause take away the fact that if you mess up hard a recovery is hard, but there is always positive and negative aspects. Ban merc! DO IT.

[TheLumberfetish]

i don't understand how you want to ban something thats simply part of the game.

the creator was well aware that merc building in 31 is op, so he chose to make him not able to build. but he also was well aware of the fact the merc can leave before. and he chose not to code the map so that a leaving merc still gets creeps on his lane.

For me that makes it pretty clear.

I think its very easy to beat a cross where the incomer goes merc. and if you fail to do so before 31 you do not deserver the free victory with 4vs3 on 31. That is clearly an unfair advantage.

It's easy to set the rules to your desire because you can't handle a certain strategy that is clearly allowed by the game creator. It's harder to accept it and find a way to beat it. Also i still stand my point that it is no advantage!

[Diablo_]

My opinion will be affected by the fact that I despice people going merc

I do not think we should let people go unpunished for leaving a game on purpose as a part of their strategy
Leaving should be an unfortunate event in one way or the other and knowing you will leave at lvl 30 if you haven't won before that is abusing game mechanics imo
When you pick merc you know you will get a short term advantage (basically unbeatable if you aren't completely retarded) and thus should also deal with the disadvantage at lvl 31 - you know you will have this disadvantage

Yes I do think leaving at lvl 31 should be banable beyond autoban

Sums up my thoughts aswell
Want to get the advantages of merc? Fine, but also live with the disadvantages then.

@ lumber
A good cross+merc combo is almost impossible to defeat before 31. And the merc leaving on 30 is 100% an advantage xd

PS: In the latest versions of LTD there is no merc builder anymore and there's also a mode which makes crossing impossible. So yea, this shows what the (current) map makers think

[GoatsBeGone]

I think its very easy to beat a cross where the incomer goes merc. and if you fail to do so before 31 you do not deserver the free victory with 4vs3 on 31. That is clearly an unfair advantage.

Turn it around then "if the merc dont manage to kill the opponent till 31 he doesnt deserve the win"

As for merc cross combo easy to beat you havent played vs good players then, the numbers stand, If the builder is fed and smart he is way over value, great Income, at the same time a merc is available to overbuild any level, this means 2x overbuild + huge income, and you dont call that an advantage, dont be fooled by the cross player who stay 2/0 for 10, I know when you play them it can be fairly simple, but if you play versus good player, this is simply unbreakable, and youll have to try stick it out for 31.

[TheLumberfetish]

Its so easy to win vs merc.

when incomer goes merc in 17 he has maybe built towers for around 1k value so far.
In 25 probably 99% of the merc incomers will not build and therefore you lack around 6k+ value compared to a normal cross/inc combo.
It is also easy to leak in 24 and therefore send dd in 25.

And that is only 1 of the million ways to easily win vs merc cross.

Also i think your "PS" is invalid because we play legion 3.41 and not later versions made from a different creator,

€: @Goatsbegone if the cross is fed he wont go merc. why should he?

[GoatsBeGone]

dont try to teach me, the buttom line is that you went merc, so stick it out and die with team or get banned. Simple as that

[HugMeOnce]

I see so many people leave on 30 as incomers or as merc and they don't get banned, yet the mods chose to ban me lol. That is fine if I get banned but it should be fair across the board as in anyone who leaves before game is over and their team wins = game ruining.

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@bit said he would ban both players and he didn't even ban the other guy LOL