Why i avoid LIHL now

[1005]

Are you retired from LIHL?

You can go public games with Goat and try to stomp me. No one is whining after the game.

Dont worry and be happy archol. Good luck.

[supersexyy]

No fail healing in Season 1? ha ha ha.... Just ask Brave how many times he got TKed

[Krayyzie]

gotta love that u came in the strong team this game also espically since captain of the game abused his swap possiblities to get gog to the other team and yet that happened...

[Krumme]

Regarding the skill lvl - there is not much we can do about it - if we wanna keep the level of activity going we have to recruit new players and hope they evolve fast

Regarding the playstyle in LIHL - we have reached a crucial point in LTD - we reached a point in which I doubt we can change much to make it more optimal for your team
Having a fat king at lvl 10 and 1/2 guys ob for most the lvls pre 10 and 2 guys heavy income ready to rape ass after 15 is simply such a strong strategy that it hardly can be changed
As for you quitting on LIHL I don't have sympati with even though I have had that thought my self many times
If you want LIHL to prosper you should be a part of it and help it evolve
Yes alot of shit happens in games in LIHL but if people do it more regulary than others that will show on their ELO
I recommend you come back to LIHL the last month of the season and give it a go as ELO's will have been balanced out and if it still doesn't suit you then I'm afraid there is not much we can do for you

[Krayyzie]

well, gog got more wins than losses most or all seasons i think so not that bad, but yep good karma that it happened that game when that swap happened someone even when they say no several times, then just "all agree?", finally he gets a "just fucking start" or something then starts.

However, if u dont like the league every game, stick to the games when u know the people, usually no drama if u stick to certain players

[godlik3]

why u dodgine me to swap??stfu plz read loby on replay and after read chat on game...i asked several times if all ok with swap...and also the gog himself said gogogo....after that i asked on 1 since ppl was complaining if u guys wanted rmk....u guys kept on silence....u won the game and still complaining when i should be complained about double heals and no heal on same wave and loss free 15 elo.... =(!

[godlik3]

yeah and agree...new players just know how to yolo and ask for feed when comes to hold 7....i never ask for feed to go 4 ygg....the problem is ppl want to income and hold 7 with good values ( cuz of feed ) that doesnt make sense....cuz 1 player holds to carry before 10 and the another 3 ppl carry him after 10, not the other way around....also ppl think hard income is the best way but u need to hold all waves but 7....not just goiing 7/10209302193-12 before 7....that is a fail -_-...
also not only new players but ppl that joined on last season think they r so pro and dont listen the another ones.... i have a several cases of that....i miss beep ba and fiji also eldryan that give us really good and ballanced games =(!
also diablo and krumme r not much active after they became mods....thats sad....marlboro_ that was a really active player and a balanced one also not playing this season =( eldryan and fiji with a lot of games too r not playing that...beep is not even online or #1 on pubs anymore =(...ricky is never online ig0d play some few games only....goats playing a lot of pubs and not active on lihl....pata came in time for time...willie i never see him anymore ahhaha...where r the old school players...miss also iznogood that was a good player and very active on season 2 that i joined....
a lot of good players still playing pubs....we could try to get wake_n_bake, tier_7 and that new #1 guy on pubs to lihl....also the top ones on 1v1 bot like i kill satan...would be great!
bit organizing in house games cuz he doesnt want cross or merc....why he doesnt come back to lihl? =(

[Krayyzie]

archol, the overall level of the league is dropping because people find more and more ways to come around the basic of the game,
The last thing which happened last season was people realised they didnt have to hold any levels, so, its okay to leak 80 units on 7 and 60 units on 8, because income will make up for it.
Another new thing lately is sending a big mass on levels after 20, mainly to bug the game so units doesnt move as they should, which gives advantage
There´s the old clogging in mid, also to stop units from moving --> other team dies first if race
all those ways of gaining advantage takes away then need to know how to use different towers, as it doesnt matter much if u leak or not.
Of couse that leads to skill getting lower.
Im sure there´s more reasons why the skill is gettin worse...

About ur swap godlike...just be happy noone reported u, the fact u wrote out in channel u wouldnt play with gog, then a copy of lobby chat which moderators can get here, would be enough proof since gog said no, no, no, start, no, no (not sure how many times, 5 might be to many) and then finally he ends up with something like "just fucking go" and u take that as its okay ..as u said in game "he said go".
Its like a thread which was posted here a few weeks back when u said brb 1 second, and someone started after 1 second...pretty much the same thing

[pewpew lasergun]

many ppl lost interest in playing for drama, tk or mode, i suggest this

!ban clog
!ban mass split 20+
!ban completely mid building
!ban bad talking teamates
!unvouch elo < 875
( no specific rules for the above just report and moderator judge for example if clog or not )


change mode permanently to something in between -hpgmcb and -hpmmcb
like maybe -hpmmcbhg or -hpmmcbgg ( no feed from mid leaks, but gold for king leaks or vice versa)

and all the new hires are useless, not cause they dont improve, cause they dont play.
i only see yolo.style around. others rarely. although i dont play as much lately myself.

[ILOCOS_NORTE]

!unvouch elo < 875

Unvouch on a w/l basis only. We need <900k elo to have players with >1100k elo.

[Krayyzie]

You´re right about high/low elos, it doesnt tell much nowadays, since whoever loves to abuse different game mechanics get enough advantage to get elo, while the ones that refuse to abuse them, run into problems. There has been different modes on test, sdgmcb, hpmmcb, which has been voted down to be standard mode, sdgmcb with the reason that builds are very similiar for every race every game(prophet makes it alittle bit different).
hpmmcb with the reason...well, thats the interesting part, there are 2 groups of people who does not prefer hpmmcb.

First group: The high elo players, who does prefer to abuse whatever they can to gain advantage, anything from clogging mid to massing lvl 27 tom ake game mechanics fail, to leaking 80 units on 7 and another 60 units on 8, or have observer on skype and so on, with the impression that makes them very good players.

Second group: The ones that actually dont know how to build(in most cases), because in current mode, with king gold, it really makes a very small difference if you leak or not, if you leak , your allies get gold for holding mid, or everyone gets gold from king, if all players income and leak, its very easy to recover because of high incomes, and if you do it well, you even gain advtantage by leaking Alot, so its an enjoyable mode to play if you´re not skilled enough, because you can always come back.

Hpmmcb or Sdmmcb, or any mode with mm, would create a big change for lihl, because it wouldnt take long before some of todays top players who´re there due abusing game mechanics would fail, and people who actually knows how to build, would gain advantage, pushing the ones with lower skill to actually learn how to use towers correctly.
It would NOT remove the ability to yolo, but it would make it less OP. The problem is, hpmmcb will make the gameplay alot harder, and if you fail, you do get punished for it, because its alot harder to come back. Just the way a pro league should be?
Problem is...alot of the weaker players will actually show their weakness and that usually leads to less activity in lihl, it would higher the standard of the league, but in short term definately lower the activity...

[eldryan]

I liked hpmmcb - imo it actually allowed more "abuse" of game mechanics due to no one being able to abuse it well on other team. There is still a ways to go with strategy improvements - I've had kind of a long term goal in strategy for months that I was trying to perfect after I got bored of just winning every game same strategy, but to get a higher strategy level the skill average of LIHL has to improve. Recruiting the high elo pubs is important.

[ILOCOS_NORTE]

I agree with Brave. -hpmmcb, -sdmmcb or -rdmmcb are the most ballanced modes.
There are many ways to abuse game mechanics.
By:
*crossing
*using AS
*double build
*sending mass on certain levels to force splits
*abuse level time for income by leaking a lot = yolo

3 of them were banned already because they were to powerfull, but you cant realy ban yolo cause its hard to define were the line is. Also clogging is something you cant ban. Since we cant ban it we have to change the game mode and remove -gg and keep the *single lane only* part.

I dont think a poll would lead to gratifying results for the veteran players. Lets just change the mode and if some players cant deal with it and break away we can bear that.

I guess Brave, Diablo_, Krumme, Pata, Beep, Eld, Archol, Tubby, Fana, Trance, Goats, Joe, Willie, BA, Hele, Achill, Mart, Micki, dweiler, dweller and most veterans I didnt forget intentionally agree with me.

[godlik3]

problem on that mode is....80% of time ppl will fuck up the build and they cant come back....that will result again in suicide income, and clog mid....also wave 15 and 17 come to much more powerfull with hpmm....almost impossible to hold big sends....like dd ou even triple demon....that again will result in delays , clog mid and suicide income....
thats the real problem on that mode....really 15 is already hard to hold imagine if u get fucked on early waves....
i know u gonna say: so dont fail...be pro, u need to know what to build for each wave, etc....i think 20% on lihl will know what to do and 80% will fuck all games....thats the other problem!!

[Krayyzie]

Thats pretty much one of the intents of this thread as archol says? The skill in the league is to low, the fact that you say 80% of the players will fail pretty much means the same, hpmmcb ( or any other mm mode) would make a difference in the way that weaker players will actually Increase their skill (because they´re forced to), or they will quit because they are to bad, which would lower the activity in the league..

Almost no games goes past 15 17 or 20 now anyways, if i dont remember wrong from trial weeks ,there´s about the same percent of games in hpmmcb mode as hpgmcb that goes past 20, not sure about exact numbers tho.
Well, no mode will remove all possiblities to abuse different game mechanics like clogging mid, or mass delaying...Only way to get rid of that would be to kick every single abuser this league has..which would prolly count to like 3-4(no names mentioned) or something atm, thats pretty much the number of players who time after time tells their team to do those things..