[DOTA] Kaskade US-East

[bbak]

Game link (if known): http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 176037.w3g
Game name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #6
Your Warcraft III username: JeeChan
Violator's Warcraft III username: Kaskade
Rule player violated: Maphack
Time of violation (specify whether you are using in-game or replay time): 24:14 - 24:20
Any further thoughts: Precise viewing necessary. Watch as he casts his ult before I am in his vision. Watch it carefully. His spirits come out once i am in vision, but he casts before i am seen. (Spirits do not come out immediately.) I have submitted many times before but backing and suspicious movements don't seem to warrant for a maphack. What about a very suspicious cast?

[irocthls]

watched replay and no suspicious play by kaskade... only feeding done by you.. should you be banned for excesive feed? the time where he casts his ults he was clearly atacked by slark and was with ogre.. he was probably just waiting for slark to come back and try it again .. fast reaction? or posible misclick? i dont see any signs of MH .. any further thoughts?

[Erdnuss]

21:49 Uses ulti as soon as BS is in vision, every opponent was missing
-> Not impossible but still a bit suspicious

One incident can't be enough evidence. You really need to find more imo.

[bbak]

@erdnuss you should check out my last post. I have almost a dozen cases. He has already been put on the suspicious watch list. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=37163&p=158369&hilit=kaskade#p158369

[Aghnaar]

watched replay and no suspicious play by kaskade... only feeding done by you.. should you be banned for excesive feed? the time where he casts his ults he was clearly atacked by slark and was with ogre.. he was probably just waiting for slark to come back and try it again .. fast reaction? or posible misclick? i dont see any signs of MH .. any further thoughts?

i like the part where u talk about yourself in the third person. your behavior shows that ur scared of something. and ur moves r way too suspicious dude, just saying lolol. i hope u get permabanned bc all i can see is that u just became better in hiding your mh after u got banned once.

[Cat_Fact]

The first ten minutes is suspicious and as much as i watched only. Replay clock.

6:50 - Get top Rune. Not suspicious by itself.
8:09 - Pushing tower. Have creep and ult advantage. Back for no reason. Why? Pudge tped to mid. No vision. This is suspicious because without knowing that Pudge tped to mid, Kaskade have no reason to not destroy that tower.
9:00 to 9:30 - At 9:00, Kaskade buy a bottle and head down to bot for rune. Not quite suspicious. Getting double rune does happen. It's odd that Kaskade bought the bottle at this point, considering that he also got the rune together.
10:12 - Now this is the battle that bring everything so far together. No vision at all on BS. He ran away using the ancient creep path [side note: I would consider it more normal to back using the mid lane]. BS have vision, try to double back and cut him. Don't miss the part where he attempted to use the image to cut BS off. He without fail, reacted to BS movement by also double backing. Went back to mid lane to escape. Again use his image to cut BS off. All of this so far without vision of BS. BS chase and die.

End replay.

Considering the way Kaskade react to BS at 10:12 mark. Getting the top rune, then buy bottle and get bot rune. Even backing when he have total advantage in destroying mid tower meant that he have total awareness of player and rune location.


I would add that regardless of MH, Kaskade was still the better player.

[irocthls]

watched replay and no suspicious play by kaskade... only feeding done by you.. should you be banned for excesive feed? the time where he casts his ults he was clearly atacked by slark and was with ogre.. he was probably just waiting for slark to come back and try it again .. fast reaction? or posible misclick? i dont see any signs of MH .. any further thoughts?

i like the part where u talk about yourself in the third person. your behavior shows that ur scared of something. and ur moves r way too suspicious dude, just saying lolol. i hope u get permabanned bc all i can see is that u just became better in hiding your mh after u got banned once.

kaskade is not me.. LOL .. im just here to help the forum out as one of the admins told me i would be unbanned if i help out in the forums from time to time.. bbak has and still trying to get Kaskade banned and so far all of his replays or lack evidence of map hack.. like the guy above me said some players just cant handle the fact that they get outplayed and call it MH.. BBak has gone as far as to post videos on youtube just to try to prove his point across ... im no admin but imo BS got outlaned from mid and according to the chat logs.. BS was intentionally feeding just to try and prove that Krob was maphacking which i didnt see at all. so thats my 2 cents

[Aghnaar]

kaskade is not me.. LOL .. im just here to help the forum out as one of the admins told me i would be unbanned if i help out in the forums from time to time..

right, thats why u post only on this case. and thats why u and cascade play phoenix exactly the same way

[bbak]

This may be completely off point. but i was trying to set him up all game hence the number of deaths i got that game. I am an experienced player and ive played two games against him including the one noted above. Completely destroyed him the first one. @Cat_fact 10:12 is a good timestamp. Id like to include that one as well.

[bbak]

Regarding the 24:14 timestamp. Also watch as he uses his bottle for no reason before he casts. I dont remember exactly what was in it .. i think it was a regen.

[VirusHunter]

i havnt watched replay yet but i have played with this character several times and every time i say to myself this kid seems like hes MHing. so now i see this i definitely would say he MH. watch more games of him to see where he MH.

bbak it will most definitely be reviewed. Ent moderators are all volunteer workers and it sometimes may take a little to review a case. Maphacking cases usually take the longest because of how thorough you have to be. you are after all banning someone for a year.

[bbak]

Will this ever be reviewed?

[TheDotaAssassin]

I don't man. I played against this dude before and whipped his ass that game. He used bat and I had PA...I beat flames out of him...and I'm not sure how good he did that game but no one suspected him of mh that game on my team. I just feel that some people get outplayed and automatically accused of maphack. Shit it's even happened to me plenty of times. Dude has like 150-200 games played and hasn't been banned. If he was maphacking i think it wouldn't of gone on this long and/or there would of been way more post about it.

[TooSad]

@TheDotaAssassin

You and Kaskade appear to be friends, which, if true, makes your post look suspicious. The mods (@nabo) can easily check and see how many games your IPs have overlapping. In any event, people are routinely banned for maphack after a large number of games played. That's largely because the mods are sensible and require a sound degree of proof before they issue bans. That said, I've played with Kaskade and always felt that he hacked.

[TheDotaAssassin]

Well let the mods do that and I'm sure 1 might come up...but so what if I just decide to play in the same game he's in. I've played so many games with the same people like kos)chris, not, cat_fact, thefinerthings, blackfridayni**er, monika legionsky, jeebus, hinata-hyuga, moo, QQl3!tch etc. All I'm saying is everyone accuses all the really good players of mh toooo much.