HISTORY IN THE MAKING

[ilovegabby]

he is too gud lets just all give up on legion
if u dun got elo den what u talkin bout
#5timechamp
#iaintmad

[Furbolg.]

Grats hugmeonce))

i miss Gouus

[Qvist]

I accept challenge.
I will try contact 3 friends of mine, we didnt lose 1 game as crossing for quiet a while. I also highly doubt we will versus you guys, since u still are small veterans..

Btw. its donbola.

What we playing about?

[Qvist]

I posted in wrong section xD but i geuss u read it anyway... ?

[HugMeOnce]

I accept challenge.
I will try contact 3 friends of mine, we didnt lose 1 game as crossing for quiet a while. I also highly doubt we will versus you guys, since u still are small veterans..

Btw. its donbola.

What we playing about?

What is a donbola?

Let us know when you are able to get your team organized and we can play.

[ViolentlyHappy]

Why are you so mad eldryan? Why ban map hack? Because that's not how any warcraft map is intended to be played.

And cross isn't stupid or easy, I've seen too many LIHL players try to cross and fail. Godlik3 tried it against us just the other day and made lots of mistakes.

cross was explained to be an exploit of the map (read "not how it's intended to be played") earlier in this thread...

But ... It's not an exploit lol. The original creator of Legion TD, Lisk, is remaking a standalone version of the game, and he is including full aspects of the cross and fixing issues such as splitting, and even making game modes just for it. So I don't see how it's up to the players to determine if it's a glitch, when the creators are happily condoning it.

[matdas]

Cross in itself is a glitch because of the leak bounty, not because you can do it. Get your facts straight. If you leak, the bounty should not be 80-100%, 100% of the time that leaks happen. If you bring up "they were the valuers leaks" then you are wrong, they are the leaks of the combined building, where as the leaks should be 50% value (or less) due to the shared lanes. Thus, an exploit of the map.

[eldryan]

cross build is using glitch to aggro units in wrong direction without armor bonus...

[I_kill_satan]

Cross in itself is a glitch because of the leak bounty, not because you can do it. Get your facts straight. If you leak, the bounty should not be 80-100%, 100% of the time that leaks happen. If you bring up "they were the valuers leaks" then you are wrong, they are the leaks of the combined building, where as the leaks should be 50% value (or less) due to the shared lanes. Thus, an exploit of the map.

Btw, u forgot about disadvantages of cross, for example:
u can see enemys units if they leak with "100% bounty";
u get feed from enemy team if they leak with 100% bounty;
cross units could split;
no teleporting to mid if bad delays;
units could pull 2nd wave too fast if bad build and delay;
31 lvl disadvantage;
thats not all.


So, this 100% bounty is not so significant. Cross build is not imba and required understanding of units. Also if u play vs cross u should know where to build and when to send, and when not send. That guyz with 0-4 result didnt know how to do it and loses are fair enough. Some of them builds were bad even for solo build.

I saw alot of people who think that they cant win cuz of: "savers", "u just only good cuz of mid build" (1v1), "luck", "noobs in team", "cross", "you are using a programs to win!" etc etc. But the real reasons of their loses on 99,9% were just poor knowledge of game, wrong strategies, misscommunication and other things like this.

[bit]

Ofc cross is not OP, that's why you crossing in pub..really, stop bullshitting yourself
Know when to send and how to build? Yeah Yeah. The most legit strategy vs cross would be sending every level, or sending dd's on 18 after surviving 17 or something. But it's hard to survive, because of course stupid crossers can always sell delay on 16 and send dd's. It's impossible to kill cross on 17 and 20 if they are not fully retarded. And they will win race even if you send dd's on 17 too, it pretty easy to get needed units with x10 rerolls for one lane + teleport glitch gives too much advantage

[Diablo_]

For me the biggest advantage of cross is that they can barely be killed (especially double cross). No matter how much you send, they will always hold one side with some towers (of incer) going to mid and also killing quite some of the second side.
With double cross that means that max 50% of the sends and also hardly any creeps can come to the king, and that's generally not even close to be enough to kill him.
As solo player it usually is hard to fully hold a hard send and you will most often leak at least the sends which often already is enough to kill the king. Of course with double build later on this also changes, but most LIHL players don't even think on using it (or don't want to) nowadays because it is banned for such a long time there already.

[ViolentlyHappy]

Do you guys know what "meta game" means? It means finding a new style / strategy of play within the game that gets quickly adopted as the way to play the game until a new style / strategy arises to completely counter / crush the old meta. Currently cross is the meta and you're all just whinging about how OP it is. There ARE strategies to beat cross, there ARE HUGE weaknesses to cross, and it is not a walk in the park that you make it all sound like. So what if cross holds 2/4 waves when you send, they get left with a tiny army that doesn't stand a chance against the 2nd wave and gets completely crushed and almost 2 full waves leaking to king with demons is pretty GG.

Cross in pub is OP exactly because people in pub don't know how to counter it. The only hope lies in LIHL people, I know very well how to beat cross and have done so quite a few times. Come on LIHL, show us your "skills"

[bit]

Happy, i'll never believe you coulda beat anyone in solo build, sending level 2 is so skilled and cant be countered ofc. don't lie to yourself about meta gaming, crossers are just elo whores

[I_kill_satan]

As solo player it usually is hard to fully hold a hard send and you will most often leak at least the sends which often already is enough to kill the king. Of course with double build later on this also changes, but most LIHL players don't even think on using it (or don't want to) nowadays because it is banned for such a long time there already.

Lihl think about double build it and use it, look to the thread "Archers in lihl" for example Yes "cross" side win that game but where is that "mighty op cross" wich can kill everything? They almost lose but had won on 27 not because of "imba cross" but cuz they saves and send like archol said. In case they play as they wanted ("as usually") they should lose and nothing could save them. Solo side leak just a few on 27 and i think, if they have a bit more luck or better units, they could handle it despite of split.

to @bit
Stop attacking me i m nice
If u have any arguments u can type it but why u say like this? U r ent mod btw. Cross is not bannable and could be discussed right? Only argument u type is "cross is a glitch" but its not valid. Some people think that "saving is glitch" and what?

Ye i play alot in cross and not in cross and i know its not imba but indeed required very careful play. There are alot of factors -single cross, double cross, cross units, their location, ur units etc should be estimated to choose a right strategy. In this version of LTD there are no only one right way to win, each strategy has counter strategy, thats why so much people play it

But, in pub, if u play full solo and have even 1 player in team who plays not enough good, its almost impossible to kill good cross even with double build thats true (and full impossible if hybrid mode). It needs just clear all sides on 17, but if even 1 player failed do it, its gg. Also on 20 - generally its enough to kill 2 sides not to lose, but if only 1 player do it, its also gg. In that games only option is also build cross to be competitive even with weak players, and usually its obvious from lobby. We cant choose people in pub so -

[ViolentlyHappy]

Happy, i'll never believe you coulda beat anyone in solo build, sending level 2 is so skilled and cant be countered ofc. don't lie to yourself about meta gaming, crossers are just elo whores

Well you can take a look at ViolentlySad, not all the games I play solo, but mostly I do. I won't say I'm the best, but I'm not as terrible as you think