[Jur. Park]skogul @ entconnect

[iLLanzor]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 595378.w3g (My replay: http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=68654972893295219168)
Game Name: Jurassic Park Survival! #62
Your Warcraft III Username: iLLanzor
Violator's Warcraft III Username: Skogul
Violated Rule(s): Teamkilling red player for not choosing the mode he wants
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): Trash talk: 00:00 - 00:40; Killing & Trash talk: 03:10 - 06:00
Any further thoughts: Played with him before, behaves very dominant and keeps calling others noob and stupid *****, etc.. Example game is http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=4591451.w3g(see 20:19, he starts against another player.)
I did kill him later in the game, which might have not been the right choice, I admit. But this guy has ruined too many games for me. I can't find the old records on his name (maybe he started with a new name), but I know it's the same guy as before because of the discussion he starts everytime now (about The Netherlands vs. USA).

It just really bothers me that this guy keeps on scaring new people away with his behaviour, as there are not that many Jurassic Park players around.

I hope this post is clear to all who read it and is not a waste of your time.

[Skogul]

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/replays/4595378.txt

[Skogul]: Yo
[Skogul]: Choose Jurassic
[Skogul]: 2
[Skogul]: 1 hour 20 minutes
[Skogul]: Ok?
[gromah]: k
[gromah]: 2 more<ß
[gromah]: ?
[Skogul]: Don't screw up please...I'm sick of noobs screwing up the mode
[gromah]: yeye i am rigght up north east

gromah ended up choosing Easy mode even though he clearly agreed to choosing Jurassic 2. He did lie about the mode, which is against the rules.

[Skogul]

@mods

I admit I team killed gromah at the beginning because I wanted to serve him some immediate punishment for ruining a 1 hour 20 minute game for me. I felt betrayed because he clearly confirmed in the lobby that he would choose Jurassic 2, yet ended up choosing Easy. I also admit that I do intrinsically resent noobs like him who don't listen. I've seen only too many games ruined by people like him, not just in Jurassic Park, but in DotA as well. So iLLanzor is actually right about my lack of respect for noobs. I guess my resentment for noobs also contributed to my team killing of gromah. I totally understand team killing is wrong. I can promise you that I won't retaliate against noobs through team killing anymore, though I doubt my attitude and impression towards them will change any time soon, meaning I'll probably still involuntarily trash talk them once in a while. To me, noobs aren't just people who are bad at the game, they're also the major game ruiners of the gaming community.

At 20:28, iLLanzor began team killing my base with his Obliterator, probably because he was angry that I ridiculed him for having his base overrun even though the mode's already set to Easy. Note that I have NOT team killed him before in any game, meaning he's just blatantly team killing me, not to defend himself, but simply to vent out his rage and dissatisfaction against me. Without showing any remorse, he continued to chase me down even after destroying the buildings in my base and in a final game-ruining attempt, detonated his Obliterator to kill both of us. He was blatantly team killing and game ruining. No arguments there. If I should be punished for team killing, iLLanzor deserves nothing less.

@iLLanzor

"But this guy has ruined too many games for me."

If you still cry about your game being "ruined" just because someone better than you called you a noob, then you're obviously not mature enough for online gaming. In fact, you should just go back to playing single player, because I have more bad news for you - This happens almost everyday in the gaming community. I don't think I've played one DotA game where the term "noob", or something along those lines, didn't show up on chat.

Ok, fine. Let's say you really are under ten years old and like any other immature child, you just couldn't take the criticism from your betters. Why didn't you use the !ignore command then? Asking the mods to ban players better than you just because your ego's hurt by criticism like "noob" and "stupid" just confirms how "noob" and "stupid" you really are.

[iLLanzor]

As I stated, I have killed Skogul too later on.

probably because he was angry that I ridiculed him for having his base overrun even though the mode's already set to Easy.

This isn't true. I don't really care whenever I'm called a noob. But I do care if others are being ridiculed and more trash talk. I just think you shouldn't behave this way or you should play a solo game.
After Skogul killed the other player I just wanted to take revenge, I'll admit that. I just can't stand the attitude of 'everyone should be pro like me', and that's what really bothers me.

In the post above you can see once more how Skogul looks at other people.

I understand if I will get banned alongside with Skogul, but I still think the ban shouldn't be the same. I won't make excuses for my actions as I really hope this guy will learn he is not the only one on the planet, and we can't play his way (mode) every game.

Don't screw up please...I'm sick of noobs screwing up the mode

Ok, fine. Let's say you really are under ten years old and like any other immature child, you just couldn't take the criticism from your betters. Why didn't you use the !ignore command then? Asking the mods to ban players better than you just because your ego's hurt by criticism like "noob" and "stupid" just confirms how "noob" and "stupid" you really are.

[iLLanzor]

I noticed Skogul also knows how to find every drop in the game. I´m not sure, might be possible to know that?

But then also uses shift-clicking (route ordering) to pick up the items (you can see the red banners he places). If I'm not wrong, you can only start doing this in fog when you're maphacking.
You can see it in both replays, that are in the openingpost, that he does so from 01:00 on.

I would really appreciate if someone else could confirm or deny whether it is possible without a maphack. Thank you.

[Skogul]

@iLLanzor

"But I do care if others are being ridiculed and more trash talk. I just think you shouldn't behave this way or you should play a solo game."

"I just can't stand the attitude of 'everyone should be pro like me', and that's what really bothers me."

Thank you for proving my point. You're clearly not mature enough to handle online gaming. Do you even know what the chat culture's like in DotA pubs?



"we can't play his way (mode) every game."

gromah personally confirmed with me in the lobby that he would choose Jurassic 2, which is the reason why I stayed. He then ended up choosing Easy. That alone constitutes lying about the mode.



"But then also uses shift-clicking (route ordering) to pick up the items (you can see the red banners he places). If I'm not wrong, you can only start doing this in fog when you're maphacking."

Wrong. It's totally possible to shift-right-click in fog areas without maphacking. Lol fail.

[iLLanzor]

Even picking up items is possible with rightclicking in fog? I'm confused how you click the items in fog, but if you say so: Ok, my bad.
Would be great if someone else could confirm.

[aRt)Y]

Thanks for the input. Locked until reviewed.

[aRt)Y]

3:13 [All] Skogul: You chose the wrong mode
3:17 [All] Skogul: Now you must die
3:28 [All] Skogul: Noob
3:49 [All] Skogul: That will teach you a lesson
3:54 [All] Skogul: On how to choose the proper mode
4:20 [All] Skogul: Stupid German

Approved.