Stop banning players plz

[Hutzu]

You guys are harming the community by not following the rules. Stop being ignorant already.
There is an unvouch for a reason. If Fiji wants to behave like a kid and kick achilles so he wont lose ELO, then face the consequences. You cannot face consequences of your actions? Then adulthood will be a big unpleasant surprise for you. Sad to note that supposedly most of you are.

@ Fiji: "Noone here disrepsects the mods or their work" Yes, you do. And the other 5 players too. We unvouch, they swap you in. If this isn't disrespecting our decision, what is it then?
"If you are viewing me as someone playing god and causing havoc" You behave as long as it suits you. But it is undeniable that you can also play god and cause havoc like in the last cases. Mods turned a blind eye on you many times already. But you never learn. Don't blame us. The only one to blame is yourself. Wake up already!

@ All: Fiji's unvouch stays till at least the end of the season if not more. The ban of the other players will be most-likely (heavily) reduced. We will update the decision tomorrow or the day after. Wait until then. No need to open another topic, its content wont change our decision anyway. The facts are clear as they can be. No self-righteous justification will change a thing.

[Diablo_]

It's really not hard ...
We have rules because that's what LIHL was built upon and needs to stay the way it is (if you want a league without rules and without moderators we can discus this, as it's really no fun to be a mod currently).
If you break a rule, you will be banned, otherwise we might aswell throw them all aboard.
If you are banned you are not allowed to play, no matter who agrees to swap you in or not.
Swapping a banned player in is obviously against the rules, but since this is (more or less) the first time happing we will shorten those bans to 1 day each.
Fijis ban will stay until the end of the season, if he gets swapped in (or signed) again it will be permanent unvouch.

[ZTX)Fiji]

Take some time to read the previous messages please - this principal shit uve got going on is countering ur own argument

( The unwritten draw rule stirs up more shit amongst players than this "new" unwritten rule) but there haven't been any consequences for not obeying the drawrule - ur all just fucking singling me out as it doesn't say anywhere that it's forbidden to swap a banned player in to substitute an empty slot - unlike an actual written rule about drawing when someone dc's. Besides these incidents weren't encouraged by me so It doesn't make sense to lengthen the ban - if this as you claim is a clear rule then instead of putting all of this on my account - then make the clear statement in the rules - and let this continue as it were - then you can also use this case as an examble henceforth..

Now here's a direct message to the mods - people complained about these decisions NOT because they don't want rules or mods arround - they did it because that they want certain things to change. Lengthening my ban makes no sense and not punishing people disobeying the drawrule is just hypocritical and it counters ur princip of breaking rules without consequence - READ AMD UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE instead of answering with rage and pride.

[matdas]

So what i see is fiji dodged a ban? That is a 1 year ban, even if it is lihl....

[supersexyy]

No, it's a lihl ban. Don't be stupid matdas.

[matdas]

I don't believe any of you realize that general rules applies to ALL ent bots. Even LIHL unless it is overrided by game specific rules. Just because it is lihl does not mean he can dodge a ban and get away with it. This is where i insult you and say, read the fine print.

I'm pretty sure if you read the box in red

[supersexyy]

'Except abrogated by game specific rules'. Lihl has different rules to pub Ltd, it obviously doesn't follow those 'game specific' rules.
I thought this was pretty obvious to anyone who knows what the lihl is.

If you want to follow the rules to the letter like a blind donkey then Fiji is technically not dodging a ban, he's dodging an unvouch.

Do not dodge your bans.

You don't need to cause trouble in the lihl just because your red name entitles you so. A serious reality check is in order.

[ZTX)Fiji]

I did not suggest the swap and I'm not an evil mastermind puppeteer... This is all just cos a Brazilian guy got mad.

[matdas]

'Except abrogated by game specific rules'. Lihl has different rules to pub Ltd, it obviously doesn't follow those 'game specific' rules.
I thought this was pretty obvious to anyone who knows what the lihl is.

If you want to follow the rules to the letter like a blind donkey then Fiji is technically not dodging a ban, he's dodging an unvouch.

Do not dodge your bans.

You don't need to cause trouble in the lihl just because your red name entitles you so. A serious reality check is in order.

An unvouch is a ban from lihl. The reason why lihl is taken care of separately is because it has it's own moderators. However, lihl is HOSTED by ENT. Since there are no rules that are stated inside lihl that says "you can dodge your ban" then he is in fact dodging.

You need a reality check. Stop trying to bend the rules. Don't like it? Post a complaint on me. The reason why i have not acted on his ban dodging is because I have RESPECT for the moderators in LIHL which many people forget to do.

What everyone has forgotten is that LIHL IS ENT hosted.

Then almighty @supersexyy, please explain to me how lihl is not part of ent. Since general rules do not apply to lihl when it clearly states that all ent bots are subjected to those rules unless abrogated. Does it say that LIHL rules do not apply the general rules? No.

And yes, my name is red. I have authority to post anywhere I choose. When i find something to post on, I will. Just because you don't like what i have to say doesn't mean you can pull the "you need a reality check" and "just because you are red." That is just a lame excuse when you have nothing better to say.


I can involve myself in whatever I so choose. If you do not like it, you can post a complaint.

[Krumme]

and just because you think this is ban dodging doesn't mean it's ban dodging - now how do you want to settle this? With arty and agreements here? or in a complaint wether you act on something that is not yours to act on. @matdas

[supersexyy]

I'll have whatever you're smoking matdas lol

Seems bans have been reduced to one day. I think that's quite lenient (coming from me, the most lenient mod :p).

[matdas]

Please post a complaint. I am only stating what the rules say. Please show me where LIHL is not ENT hosted games. Did I act on any of this? No. I already stated that its up to lihl moderators. I said my peace. You can bring arty and agreements in here all you'd like, but if you do so, make the complaint.

[pewpew lasergun]

Fiji did wrong but his ban length is too much.

I would suggest a ban reset for all players , and lets behave properly.

[Krumme]

The thing is that Fiji doesn't have a 2 month ban for this 1 rulebreak but for having broken the rules more than any one else in the league EVER and doesn't seem to acknowledge how the system works. If he does not like how things work he just do otherwise, there is no argumentation for changing w/e he thinks is not right - as soon as he realises this I'm sure the mods will reconsider a decrease in ban duration but as it looks right now, Fiji is not changing his mind of the system, of the rules and how this is so wrong that he could have been permanently unvouched.

Yes Fiji did something wrong but he wasn't alone about it and definetely did not have any intention to harm anyone - problem is that as a moderator upholding the rules of LIHL this is a direct slap to the face and cannot go unpunished as this move shits all over our work as moderators.

[ArMeDaNdDeAdLy]

I really wanna flame you @sxchuck but i wont cause of respect to the rest of the community.If you didnt want oliver to play then why the fuck do you say in lobby chat "[sX.Chuck]: just go gogogo".From now on i wont sign on a game you are signed and i hope everyone here does the same.