Beta ELO rankings

[evilmad666]

Do you believe since the new Island Defense beta was released that the ELO rankings should be reset?

New version, possible overall new different gameplay strategies . Therefore different game? And Therefore new ELO system.
So people can run for the money again.

Whats' everybody else thoughts?

[aRt)Y]

Moved to suggestions.

Added bot announcement regarding this suggestion as it is a rather critical one.

possible overall new different gameplay strategies . Therefore different game?

To answer both statements: No and no.

The new version is entirely focused on balance and not new bases, new builders or anything other new. If you expect a new version as I described it, you dont know what this version is about.

[evilmad666]

Yes, but the new terrain changes, and those new balances can drastically change the gameplay of the entire thing. For example, RoTT offical 1.00: One of the first Island Defense map that was ever released on RoC. by clan (RoTT) Revenge of the Titan. It is still Island Defense. Exact same game, but just more developments, balances, and changes. Concept is of course the same throughout all of the Island Defense maps that were ever edited. But weather or not big enough for something as drastic as ELO reset. (In this case)

[aRt)Y]

You consider these little terrain changes (e.g. less towers for bases and fewer seeds) as a big change?

[evilmad666]

Step on a bug in the past, the future may no longer exist.

[aRt)Y]

Removed one useless vote.

Voting so far was: 4 (reset elo), 3 (keep elo), 3 (idc). People can either re-vote or it will be added to the final result. Poll ends in 2 weeks.

[ApomTom]

New version, possible overall new different gameplay strategies . Therefore different game?

That just means the meta is shifting. This is common in most strategic games, especially those with updates/patches (i.e. DotA/LoL). The game itself doesn't change.

The new game argument doesn't make sense to me, but a change in the leader boards would be interesting.

Spoiler!

P.S. You should put this in Island Defense for visibility

[Stealer]

It might be reasonable to reset the elo after beta since there's a bunch of weird stuff going on.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=4891592

idk about Dota2 but LoL has soft ladder resets.

[juKING]

idk about Dota2 but LoL has soft ladder resets.

DotA has no elo reset when meta changes. I feel it's better in this way because the meta shifts do not mean that individual skill level will automatically change too. Resetting stats just seems like a way to make people want to play more; however, in the case of Island Defense I feel it would only turn people away from wanting to play. This is due to never having a community wide elo reset before and that large amount of time that will feel as though it was wasted as opposed to the aforementioned LoL which systematically resets elo AND rewards players based on their elo. It feels too sudden to just reset all stats semi out of the blue. Especially when <20 have voted so far out of all the people who play Island Defense.
Edit: added some more clarifying details

[H0tSauce2k]

I have a basic elementary question:

what is the point of resetting elo?
(and this honestly is not a rhetorical question as some ppl might think since I should be supposedly not interested in elo-resetting as one of the current top dogs in ELO, this really is an independent, unbiased question lol, believe it or not. )

what are the pros and the cons?

[TimmyTheTauren]

I'm going to start off by saying that evilmad's reasoning for resetting the elo is complete bullshit. That aside, here are my thoughts:

I think the single biggest reason to reset elo is that it has been inconsistent. I racked up 2400 elo in 180 games when the system first came out. (so did some others) Since then it has been drastically altered. It has taken others 1000+ games to catch that. There are also some gud afk players in the top stats.

As far as a reason not to, I don't really think there are. If people are honestly going to stop playing because a number was reset, that's just sad. The only thing that would be holding us from resetting would be players that think elo is their pride or something. I'm not sure if some people really care that much about their elo, but I think it would be fun to start fresh. I mean if it is really that big of an issue we can archive the current stats so you can have that feeling of greatness or whatever people think their high elo means.

If you got there the first time, you should have no problem getting back, correct?

Anyway, there should definitely be a month or so fixing period, though. The ID elo system is very buggy, can be glitched etc. Neco and uakf.b should find the best way to implement it so that the current problems are fixed as best they can be before we start recording the next "season" of ID elo.

-my hopefully unbiased opinion being a current top 10 elo player

EDIT: it would also be cool if the new system can be more detailed.

Potential things to record: (feel free to contribute ideas)

Individual stats: times titan, times builder, deaths, kills (as titan, mini and builder individually), which titan they pick the most, which builder they pick the most, or a number for each builder, average time till death, percentage of games they die in, times they went observer/didn't pick,

Overall stats: most deaths, most kills, most popular titan, most popular builder, biggest afker,

[evilmad666]

what are the pros and the cons?

Coming from hot-sauce, I doubt.

My point of view atm:

Pro: Gives everybody, new player or not another chance to run for the money again. And its the perfect opportunity since the game play of this has really changed if you haven't played it yet. Feels almost as a totally different game. (metaphorically)

Pro: Ever since the Beta has came out there has been something really really strange going on with elo right now and dyncing. In some cases taking off -50 elo of some builders for no apparent reason while other builders gains elo. Elo is totally broken and it is ruining a lot of people's current elo unfairly. And/or giving them more than they should have gotten. Its only fair imo to reset elo after this. As Stealer quoted. Great opportunity for a reset. And try new.

Pro: Your stay percentage and total games played will of course will still be there, and the elo for your other games will still be current as well. As this reset is only for Island Defense.

Pro: I have also thought of another suggestion if this ELO reset becomes into play; Recording the previous high score board list perhaps @Art)y would maybe give it a chance to approve. Is permanently record the ELO scoreboard of the last gen Island Defense maps. Maybe perhaps under "High score records topic/thread" for past players. And also giving a thread of recognition of old-gen Island defense scores.
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Con: Try-hard elo players will by most likely default vote no against this poll. Since there they have gave a lot of time spent in getting their ranks up. Since its their "pride" and prob get butthurt

Con: Possible chance of players leaving the Island Defense community because of the ELO reset and the time that they have spent getting their ranks up. Since the community is rather small nowdays. But also possibly bringing in new players. Since they have an another chance to run with the money.

Con: (Will Edit later, hard to think of an actual Con)

[Tedro32]

First of all sorry for my grammar. xD
I kind of support juking proposal (a bit of it) when he says

idk about Dota2 but LoL has soft ladder resets.

DotA has no elo reset when meta changes.

Reset elo should take into consideration through all maps that ent hosts.If dota or ltd has a new version, they dont get reset elo.

Elo for some people means nothing, and for others its " the key" to decide who will be their team mates.

So i care about elo for different reasons. But still there are missing clans or competitive groups so elo has a real matter.

Idk since when the highest elo player had that elo. I meant if this year they managed to get that elo, or it has been over the last 4 years ? If thats the case, i say yes to elo reset.

Meanwhile, i say no to elo reset until i get an answer from last sentence.


And pls, but pls someone calm down Arkatekk with this subject xD

[juKlNG]

But also possibly bringing in new players. Since they have an another chance to run with the money.

Everytime you use the phrase "run with the money" I literally/physically/theoretically/(insert adverb)
cringe. It honestly shows that your true intention is just to attempt to reach the top of the leaderboard since most of those players either quit or don't care enough anymore. Back to the quote, you honestly think that just because the leaderboards are reset that a new player is more likely to try island defense? They haven't ever played island defense. How would they know it has leaderboards? Do you even let things run through your head before posting or are you just that thick?

[evilmad666]

But also possibly bringing in new players. Since they have an another chance to run with the money.

Everytime you use the phrase "run with the money" I literally/physically/theoretically/(insert adverb)
cringe. It honestly shows that your true intention is just to attempt to reach the top of the leaderboard since most of those players either quit or don't care enough anymore. Back to the quote, you honestly think that just because the leaderboards are reset that a new player is more likely to try island defense? They haven't ever played island defense. How would they know it has leaderboards? Do you even let things run through your head before posting or are you just that thick?

Lmao this juKING. I don't think you have read my post correctly. I originally posted this as a troll poll. Which than Art)y took it over and deleted some of my poll opinions. Me? I personally don't care about ELO what so ever. You are thinking to hard and THAT makes me cringe out of your stupidity, plus: trying to read between the lines. I made it to see what you guys of a community think about the idea of ELO being reset. I am mainly supporting the ELO to being reset. But I try to just add some general facts about cons and the pros of it being reset. Just simple statements. Of what some of the ID community mind-process might think about this "suggestion" So calm down ankle-biter LOL. Nothing basis over here.

It honestly shows that your true intention is just to attempt to reach the top of the leaderboard since most of those players

And thats how I know you're retarded. LOl