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[godlik3]

You cant 3/0 with turret and egg sack tho
Still better 2 and one t1 or ob on one in case of warrs

[Hutzu]

You cant 3/0 with turret and egg sack tho
Still better 2 and one t1 or ob on one in case of warrs

We never said we could 3/0 and egg sack.

My point was, there are several somewhat logical options:
A: Build 2 turrets, go 3/0 for lvl 1. Go 3 turrets + 1 egg sack for lvl 2.
B: Build 2 turrets and 1 egg sack, go 2/0 for level 1. Then push 3/0 and build another turret for lvl 2.
C: Build 2 turrets, go 2/0 for lvl 1. Then stay 2/0 and have 4 turrets for lvl 2.

C makes little sense as 3 turrets and 1 egg sack hold lvl 2 as good as 4 turrets.

But he chose another option:
D: Build 2 turrets, go 2/0 for lvl 1. Then he pushed 3/0, built another turret to have 3 turrets and 1 egg sack for lvl 2.

And D is just plain bad. As he risked getting warriored on lvl 1 and he lost income by not going 3/0 immediately. So you either risk 3/0 or you go egg sack immediately.

Sidenote: They sent lvl 1 warriors, so they had enough gold for all of that.
A: 300 - 180 - 100 = 20g left, then +119 +4 = 143g. Turret+Egg sack = 140g etc. for B, C and D.

[GoatsBeGone]

To me its fairly simple, there is 2 things here, one is if, in my opinion, he got caught red handed regarding the maphack, which Im quiet uncertain about the circumstances, then there should be no should be no way for him to re-enter the league, how ever without a chance to redeem yourself, you will never be able to prove your evolution and improvements.

Mistakes are always forgivable, if one has the courage to admit them

The other side is about, ofcause quality, does draqhue possess the quality? The question isnt if he does to be honest, he was a regular in the league for a good amount of time, and even tho he was never one of the top players, he was fairly good player, when he wanted to play rather then troll, the question is can he evolve to the stage of legion that is been playing now, there is only one way to know for sure, let him participate in lihl games, and see if he can play or not the way you play.

Now this is as i see it the general points the mods should discuss, before making their mind up:
The last issue is probably the biggest problem, his behavior, now this led to several bans and conflicts on the forrum, including many of the old players having a riot. I will keep my oppinion on this subject for myself, since it is noones interrest what I would have to say, as Im barely active anymore, My mother told me "if you have nothing nice or constructive to say, then dont say anything at all"

So, the only problem i see is his behavior, since he admited he maphacked, and wants to prove himself, his skill level unquestionable reaches(atleast) the skill level that many of the main 900-elo players have

[godlik3]

B: Build 2 turrets and 1 egg sack, go 2/0 for level 1. Then push 3/0 and build another turret for lvl 2.

u cant 5 turrets for 3 tho
=)

[Drahque]

New replay that might be worth watching:
- https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=5067487

Epic hold on 10 with 1520 value vs. sick mass.


And here is one more replay, where I start out as holder with ygg (I did one mistake on lvl 3 tho, making T1 too far in front for the split to work properly) and when we get immola I uppped to ToK and we go all YOLO. At 15 I have 4000 lumber and I manage to even catch up in income with the others:
- https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=5067748

[eldryan]

The problem with MH is that you have cheated - not just broke the rules. This is an in-house league founded primarily on principles and etiquette, to bring a respectful manner to high level games. You are abusing the trust of the people in the league who vouched for you (including me https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=18938).

The few players in this league who advocated for you to stay vouched included me and dweiler, and I can understand you playing in games with no ELO if players want to swap you in - but using a 3rd party program in the league is a blatant detriment. I have advocated for MHers to be included in the league on many occasions, as I don't believe MHing in pubs necessarily equates to MHing here - but after you have already MHed here it's asking for a huge advantage to be revouched.

[Drahque]

Here is a pretty good replay, 154 income on lvl 10, sending 2x Demon + 2x Kraken on 17 and really intense / close win on 17. Overall great teamwork, great calls and we managed to beat Archer+Ygg combo that enemies had (we saw already on lvl 1):

[Berserkjaguar]

i'm new to the league. but i joined it, cause i wanted to find nice people who play ltd on a very high level. I doesn't wanted to play pub games anymore, with no heals etc.
If you will vouch a player who did maphack, i can never trust him, to not do it again. I could play pub games again, cause it would be the same to play with him.

[Drahque]

If you will vouch a player who did maphack, i can never trust him, to not do it again.

That's why there is the ScreenShot-Test mechanism now.

[Diablo_]

It was also there when you first maphacked, yet it didn't hold you back from doing so.

[dweiler]

That's why there is the ScreenShot-Test mechanism now.

The point that I, and several others (maybe Berserk too), were trying to make is that we don't want to bring in someone for who this is necessary. There hasn't been a SS test in months anymore because this league is based on sportsmanship and trust, and with bringing you in again the moderators will have to control and monitor again, and I cannot see how this benefits the league (besides the fact that the SS-test is nowhere close to being a guarantee that you do not maphack).

[ZTX)Fiji]

He won't mh - only retards would do that after being penalised - are u implying that his a full blown retard? XD

If it will be proven that he does - then the lesson is that nobody will ever get a second chance if it involves any sort of cheat - ever

Just skip the long unnessesary and really boring dialogu... Let em try to play?... Afterall actions speaks louder than words

[Diablo_]

After some discussion we decided to not give Drahque another chance. Most reasons were already stated in this thread, maphacking in LIHL is unacceptable and there's no reason why the fair players should suffer by letting an ex-maphacker back in.
I could go more into detail but I guess everyone gets what we mean and can understand our decision.

Denied, and sorry @Drahque but LIHL is over for you.