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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby Mercy » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:16 pm

Something I would like to point out is that those who decide to cross and the valuer leaves, I feel that the person who leaves or disconnects as the valuer in cross should be banned only because it is actually game ruining. That person has put the incomer in the position to switch to merc or not recover at all in any way. If the game lasts to 31 and the merc leaves, he gets banned, but he switched to merc because in this case, he had to, so he suffers a ban as well because the valuer left or disconnected.

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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby Diablo_ » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:08 pm

I don't agree Mariah, both players agreed to cross and that's a risk of crossing they both must be aware of. If you want to rely on another player you will also have to suffer from his mistakes/actions.
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby eldryan » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:17 pm

I disagree. Too easy to PP and save ELO in team-matches, and smurfs can make new accounts and rejoin before stay rate is bad. Better to have ELO penalty if you implement a draw, otherwise no point....

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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby SLSGuennter » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:04 am

if u have an elo-penalty, then u could still push ur elo easy with a mate ... u play, and if it goes bad, mate goes to pp and will lose elo, but the account which is going to be pushed literally cant lose any game.
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby supersexyy » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:31 am

This doesn't have to be about Elo. Can just change the autoban for leavers.
In other games once there is a leaver you are free to leave, however you will still receive the elo change. I think that's the best solution.
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby SLSGuennter » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:33 am

and the leaver maybe shouldnt get the +elo if team still manages it to win
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby eldryan » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:05 am

Guennter wrote:if u have an elo-penalty, then u could still push ur elo easy with a mate ... u play, and if it goes bad, mate goes to pp and will lose elo, but the account which is going to be pushed literally cant lose any game.

The ELO penalty can be for all accounts on a given IP excepting whitelisted accounts, and can also apply to all IPs that have benefited from more then 5 dcs on others previously if this rule doesn't work. This will discourage any good players from PPing, as all their elos will drop.

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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby aRt)Y » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:59 am

elo is a measurement for the "skill".

As mentioned multiple times by now, we will not adjust elo based on leaving.
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby I_kill_satan » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:50 pm

But wat to do with disconnects on purpose by player in losing team on 1100+ bot? I saw several times when weakest player (for example 1500 value 7/2 and under 50 income after arena) been lagged and disconnected and losing team always claimed draw. The disconnected player often join next game after this (that mean, not being catched by auto ban).

This became annoing.

I understand that 1100 bot is for more respective playing but all should have a borders. If it disconnected on 4-5 lvl - OK, but it mostly happened on 12-13 lvls, right before he should be totally screwed or his team should lose.

I play 2-3 games per day and why should i waste my time to play only half of game and drawing 1-2 (mostly winned or with advantage) of that only because enemy team have problems with disconnecting?

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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby Hutzu » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:03 pm

I_kill_satan wrote:But wat to do with disconnects on purpose by player in losing team on 1100+ bot? I saw several times when weakest player (for example 1500 value 7/2 and under 50 income after arena) been lagged and disconnected and losing team always claimed draw. The disconnected player often join next game after this (that mean, not being catched by auto ban).

This became annoing.

I understand that 1100 bot is for more respective playing but all should have a borders. If it disconnected on 4-5 lvl - OK, but it mostly happened on 12-13 lvls, right before he should be totally screwed or his team should lose.

I play 2-3 games per day and why should i waste my time to play only half of game and drawing 1-2 (mostly winned or with advantage) of that only because enemy team have problems with disconnecting?

Report those people. I play the 1100 regularly and whenever I encounter a disconnector or leaver, he gets banned by me, if the game was drawn afterwards.
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby nabo. » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:49 pm

uakf.b wrote:It is possible to adjust things to autoban for leaver on autodraw.

-Any leave/dc player when game is drawn should be punished. They can appeal if it was not intentional.

-Perhaps having autodraw up to lvl 4 when 2 persons drop can work...but as in the past, i am worried about abusers. If a player leaves a game to autodraw it, may be we can punish him harsher by applying an abuse rule or increase autoban.

-How about autoban not applicable when leaving a 3v4 or 3v2 pre-lvl 10 or pre-lvl 5 and autobanned afterwards? Possible? 2v4 should be allowed to leave without any ban penalty.

-As for elo, winning team should always win elo even if the game was ruined for the other team. However, should people left to play an unfair game also lose elo? If they lose elo, their technical "loss" is not a measurement of skill. Perhaps they should get a loss, but not lose elo? As for the leaver who ruined the game, not sure if they should not lose elo along with his remaining team and just be punished with a ban. These options possible?
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby supersexyy » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:59 pm

No games should be autodrawn other than perhaps a leaver in the first 30 seconds of the game.
Changing autoban for leavers after the first is the better option
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby Diablo_ » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:18 pm

Agreed with super. Autodraw will be heavily abused, no matter how you want to prevent it. Plus it's a bad idea anyway :P
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby SLSGuennter » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:25 pm

@nabo. if the player is losing a ruined game cause there is a leaver in his team and then he wont lose elo, there will be to much abusement. 2k elo player going with his 2 mates and if it goes bad, they leave and he wont lose elo, NEVER. that would be weird imo.
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Re: LTD leave rule

Postby nabo. » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:25 pm

U guys r right, disregard comments regarding elo. I originally only wanted to adjust autoban conditions.
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