LTD leave rule

[eldryan]

If you leave, you are screwing your team out of ELO if it is not drawn. This is something that, if the game is not drawn, is comparable to unintentional (or not) TK. It hurts the ELO balance of all the players in the game.

[I_kill_satan]

3 of 3 games 1100+ today with 1 disconnect... just meh

[aRt)Y]

@nabo.

I originally only wanted to adjust autoban conditions.

Adjust as in increasing it compared to the current autoban?

[aRt)Y]

@nabo. @hutzu @diablo_ bump. I want to archive this suggestion soon. Please give your final statements/ detailed suggestions regarding a rule change.

[Hutzu]

1) Upsets like 4vs3 at LTD

I have lost several games as 4 vs 3, but those were in normal LTDs with some noob allies, who didn't listen.
So yes, you can still win with 3 vs 4, but generally speaking, when the teams are about even (or at least team of 4 players has no total noob in it), having one player less = definite loss. Then it doesn't matter anymore how good you are, but how bad the other ones are.
Comparison to chess, as I'm a regular player:
The current world champion Magnus Carlsen would beat me without breaking a sweat. He would beat any beginner to intermediate without his queen on starting position. But he would lose to me without his queen. So at that point of having his queen off the board, it doesn't matter how good he (or any chess software) is, but how bad his opponent is.
So I'd agree that people should be allowed to leave a 3vs4, because that's an utter waste of time.

2) Adjusting autoban (making higher)

I'm for it. We can always approve appeals for disconnects. But we could put a dent into the players with 1000+ games, who occasionally leaving games voluntarily, knowing they wont be punished as hard (maybe for 2 hours or even less).

3) Leaving in 1100+ bot

I keep banning all players, who leave/disc but not get caught by autoban (game was drawn right after). 6-12 hours or even a day, if it was on purpose.

[nabo.]

@uakf.b @art)Y

You cannot leave 4v4 3v3 2v2; you may leave 3v2 4v2 4v1 2v1
Increase autoban time in general for those who take advantage of their average high stay rate.
Leavers/disconnects before !draw vote is passed, should be autobanned.
Autodraw should be enabled the first 1:20 of the game (time until lvl 1 starts)

[supersexyy]

That doesn't really make sense nabo.
Are you trying to say that after the first leaver autoban is disabled?
I also disagree that autoban should kick in after 1 minute 20. Autoban should most definitely kick in as the game starts.

[nabo.]

oops I meant, "autodraw" not autoban for the last line, which I think its how it is set atm.

You cannot leave 4v4 3v3 2v2; you may leave 3v2 4v2 4v1 2v1
Increase autoban time in general for those who take advantage of their average high stay rate.
Leavers/disconnects before !draw vote is passed, should be autobanned.
Autodraw should be enabled the first 1:20 of the game (time until lvl 1 starts)

[supersexyy]

Pretty much disagree with everything you said Nabo.
You can't leave a 2v2 but you can leave a 3v2? That is a ridiculous rule. Autoban should disable after the first leaver.
Those with high stay rates should get lower bans obviously, increasing all autobans is an option.

Autodraw should be enabled the first 1:20 of the game (time until lvl 1 starts)'

Disagree completely. Would probably be one of the most ridiculous changes if implemented due to numerous obvious reasons.

The only discussion which should be taking place is whether autoban should be disabled after the first leaver

[nabo.]

So, let me get this straight.

-You are saying that 2v2 3v3 scenarios should not be played or should not be enforced by us to be played?
-We are saying that in cases of 3v2 4v3 4v2, people should have the option to leave because teams are unbalanced, you disagree? Although I think this suggestion is better, if not possible, autoban should be disabled after first leaver as you said.
-Why do you think leavers/disconnects who are the reason people !draw the game soon afterwards, should not be affected by autoban? They were the cause of ruining the game.

-We always had an autodraw if two players leave or something before lvl 1 starts since long ago. What changes? The fact that Im suggesting that autodraw should still happen if one person leaves instead of two? How is autodraw when people leaving before lvl 1 a ridiculous idea? You dont think a game should be auto drawn when someone leaves during building stage pre-lvl 1 when nothing has happened?

-High stayrate people obviously should get lower penalty than those who have low stayrate. But, that is not what some are complaining about. People are saying the minimum autoban length despite having high stayrate should be harsher since there are still those who leave games knowing they will probably only get an hr or two autoban taking advantage of their stats when actually intentionally left the game.

[eldryan]

I think he is saying that if you leave for a 4v3 on the 4 team, and someone else leaves at a time +- 1 second, it is ridiculous to ban one. Also, if you left and your team sucks and they lose, then it is your ELO loss even though it was a 4v3.

It should have an ELO penalty for the leaver that auto-draws that can be opted in by the less players team within 1 minute, as well as an option to report the game and make it a win for the non-leaver team if it was obviously a loss(eg. dc penalty the whole other team). The circumstances for this report can be along the lines of:

The average player on the team is both substantially lower in value and income including the leaver, and has the lumber to send ineffective sends. Substantially is defined in this iteration as: A 10% difference in value and income, eg 5500 vs 5000. 140 income vs 126 income.

[aRt)Y]

So to sum up this thread: "autoban should be disabled after first leaver" & "minimum autoban length despite having high stayrate should be harsher".
Dats all uak gotta do?

[nabo.]

-Need to autoban those who leave and game gets drawn right after.

-Autoban when 4v4, 3v3, 2v2, all other cases ppl can leave or !ff

-Minimum autoban length despite having high stayrate should be harsher.

[supersexyy]

Auto ban should also be disabled on 3v3, 2v2. Otherwise you can be auto banned if someone on your team leaves 1 seconds earlier than you.

[aRt)Y]

@matdas Your input?