Suggestion about 4s

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mandatory -hpmmcb 4s only

Poll ended at Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:46 pm

yes
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39%
No
14
61%
 
Total votes: 23

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby ZTX)Fiji » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:27 pm

No bounty will increase clogging, as this strategy is designed to turn tables if you are badly outrolled or didn't get immola and got passed 10 without heals ect. it also comes with great risks as you certainly die if the enemy sends pre17 ect - with bounty, those with shit rolls can recover, but without bounty = CLOG CLOG CLOG. Also I recovered and became the fattest guy from being 7/8 on 10 with 180 inc and 700 value from arena. And the game went to 31+ it's the latest replay would gogogo look
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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby tastay » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:50 pm

hao wrote:
tastay wrote:
How am I flaming?


Rofl you attack me in every topic i started but not ingame due whatever reasons and dont even know who i am

The main reason to go mm is to focus more on building/holding and suicide income wont give that huge or any advantage because leaks wont give you any gold - the huge disadvantage in this mode is that some towers for example archers are way too overpowered in this mode, thus they need a restriction or ban


what? Are you pewpew? confused atm ey

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby tastay » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:52 pm

Diablo_ wrote:It's a poll, everyone can decide by himself whether he wants to vote for mm or not, so his reasons for this poll aren't necessary but could be helpful to get more votes ofc.


Well yes but originally he made the poll since he thought it was a counter measure to people clogging and he didn't want games to be clog heavy

I disagreed with that point and was just wondering why he thought MM stopped clog strats

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby V1rus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:55 pm

tastay wrote:It doesn't discourage leaking in any shape or form

How does it?

You don't seem to explain anything in your post and just think your assertions are correct without any basis

your logic seems extremely flawed at this stage




pew didnt but I did. read my post further up plz

it does discourage leaking pre 10 at least. ask any experienced player. if you leak more than 5 lvls pre 10 you just wont recover pre 20. you havent play many lihl games during the hpmmcb week right?

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby tastay » Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:36 pm

V1rus wrote:
tastay wrote:It doesn't discourage leaking in any shape or form

How does it?

You don't seem to explain anything in your post and just think your assertions are correct without any basis

your logic seems extremely flawed at this stage




pew didnt but I did. read my post further up plz

it does discourage leaking pre 10 at least. ask any experienced player. if you leak more than 5 lvls pre 10 you just wont recover pre 20. you havent play many lihl games during the hpmmcb week right?


I have

The only levels that need to be held for the clog strat is 1-3 so if they can hold off warriors on 1 furb on 2 and bo on 3 then mm doesn't do anything

You just don't know how detrimental it would be for a team in non mm to have 1 holder and 1+ semi vs 4 players who are 7/3+ pre 5

It would be ridiculously disadvantageous for them

If you are talking about suicide strat when some players can't recover since they don't get the rerolls then mm doesn't really change anything either

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby V1rus » Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:27 pm

well okay. this full clog strat where you only build till lvl 3 is forbidden anyway. (thank god)

mb it wouldn't solve the problem completly or there would be new way of lets call it *semi glitch abuse*
Imo hpmmcb just encourages to hold more lvls to get more gold from kills. building skills and tower knowledge are more important than in hpgmcb. teamleaking for beeing huge after lvl 10 doesnt work and if only 1 or 2 do that i will def be harder to recover after lvl 10 and the game will often suck for them.

So i dont agree that *it doesn't really change anything'. Ofc the difference is not 100% but there def is a difference.

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby archol » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:38 pm

tastay wrote:what? Are you pewpew? confused atm ey


Rofl

Nevertheless all write something about clog, just allow double build again then (not cross cause you all seems to disagree with it) try to clog against that (just a solution)

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby yolostyle » Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:11 pm

its easier to become strong and hold dd 17 or sth with hpgmcb
thus in the long run there is even more clogging MM.

And when we had MM funweek, the clog 5+6 strat was tested and it DOES WORK in MM games.
You got maxed king so u live till past 10 and u send rly big 14 15, which is not holdable due to never receiving any feed.

I don't understand why people make such a fuss about.
Didn't have many games where clogging had influence on the game result.

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby Krayyzie » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:12 pm

:) i just love the answers here..in the mm week the clog strat worked approxemately in 2 out of 8-10 games, compared to now, if you clog, you will Always have an advantage against a team going for hold after lvl 10, hpmmcb does not increase clogging, what fiji is saying is that clog still works after 10,which is true, since in hpmmcb the average values are lower, and its harder to hold levels after 10.

But its just a simple fact clogging does NOT work as well pre 10, because without king gold from leaks, you do NOT get enough gold to push 7/4 7/5, and if you play the clog on hpmmcb, you do NOT survive a send on lvl 13-15 because you wont get so insanely op when it comes to values after 10...

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby SONY- » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:53 pm

welll its kinda hard cause if u leak 5 cause bad build it will be really hard recovery or u need just suicide so it will be more suiciders :S id prefer to not 4s tho

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby supersexyy » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:15 pm

Don't build bad then
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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby V1rus » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:33 am

Krayyzie wrote::) i just love the answers here..in the mm week the clog strat worked approxemately in 2 out of 8-10 games, compared to now, if you clog, you will Always have an advantage against a team going for hold after lvl 10, hpmmcb does not increase clogging, what fiji is saying is that clog still works after 10,which is true, since in hpmmcb the average values are lower, and its harder to hold levels after 10.

But its just a simple fact clogging does NOT work as well pre 10, because without king gold from leaks, you do NOT get enough gold to push 7/4 7/5, and if you play the clog on hpmmcb, you do NOT survive a send on lvl 13-15 because you wont get so insanely op when it comes to values after 10...



100% agree with this post. thanks =)

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Re: Suggestion about 4s

Postby Diablo_ » Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:05 pm

Majority voted against change, thanks for the suggestion but denied :)
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