clog?

[fanatismo]

hmmm

https://entgaming.net/customstats/lihl/game/5454176/

[Krayyzie]

yep, did my best to stop it, time to get a real rule bout it and actually get rid of it? Did what i could to hold 5, and held 6, and they tried to force me to wisp even tho i could hold 7, i held 7, and i got semi flamed for not playing smart and didnt want to win, more or less saying i tk for holding...

[Wolke]

Well yes it was clog. We had bad rolls in generell and leaked 5 against huge send, which is ok, i think since meatwagon,prisoner and my shitty roll (tot,raider and healaura) aren´t supposed to hold 5 with send. My Question is, what should we/or i do different.I see no sence in ob with raider komodo (we had obs) and dark priest. I even rr 50g before 10 but nothing usefull again, so since i had no chance to recover over hold/value before 10 i decided to push and recover with inc later. We know that we clog and win this shitty way so we offered you draw because we didn´t want to win/or play this game but had no other chance.

[elektro]

Its called clog even when a team has holder???????

[elektro]

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT FUCKING CLOG IS CAUSE i dont understand.

[matdas]

Its called clog even when a team has holder???????

Yes. clogging can happen even when a player holds.

[Krumme]

@matdas @michaelsong

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... 3&start=15

The very last comment in that thread.

The new rule is mainly made to prohibit 4x clog.
We didn't really mention anything or banning players if one of you was holding at mid clearly, however I would like to unvouch this time since it is regarded as intended clog to me.

Please explain what is right and what is not.

As I'm assuming it shouldn't be called "clog" if 1 players holds as it isn't banable by the statement made by MichaelSong.

[elektro]

explain please what clog is, detalied if u can. and why is clog when the team has holder??? we played so many games where 1 player went holder with ygg and the other 3 went yolo. U didnt called that clog, but when a player go holder without ygg and holds very well, and the other 3 players go yolo, u call it CLOG ? WTF DUDES?

[reborn2956]

@krumme

He asked a question, i answered. I never stated anything about intentional clog or not. Clogging can still happen if one person holds. My answer does not concern whether it is bannable or not. Just stating a hard truth that even though one person can hold their lane, that the other 3 lanes can clog. Sorry you misunderstood.

[eldryan]

@supersexyy what's that? did you say something???

[MichaelSong]

In my opinion, there would be no perfect rule, restraining clog.
We're trying hard to make and change rules to prohibit clog, but this faces dilemma.

Let's suppose, we don't prohibit clog.
There would be game that losing team win race due to massive clogging. Lost team will most likely come up with clog problem since it was definitely their win if Clog wouldn't happen.
Then, let's assume we do prohibit clog.
Which rules we should establish to prohibit it?
e.g. Build minimum 50%? Don't leak more than 4~5 rounds?
This could be really look bad for someone since it's like limiting player's right to play the way they want.

There should be no perfect standard which all players do agree although we discuss a lot.
Because clog is due to mechanism of the Legion TD.
The best option should be contact mapmaker of 3.41 and request to change this problem, since it seems like rally point of spawned creeps trigger clog.
The best alternative plan should be making rules to prohibit it. Still we're on discussion and sorry for inconvenient about rules for clog.

[Qvist]

Ive tried contact, no response yet

[tastay]

Why is this even a consideration?

Braveheart stayed low and tried to hold his lane

Not like it was intentional

[fanatismo]

so its legal dat clog or not i wanna do dat strategy it seem sure win on lvl 10

[Diablo_]

I'll look into it later.