Formadawgs and juicyjtripymane US WEST

[bane]

Your Warcraft III username: driedgrapes
Violator's Warcraft III username: Formadawgs, juicyjtripymane
Game name or map name: [Ent] dota apem us/ca #15
Approximate date/time of game 2/6/13 early in the morning about 1-2am usa central time
Rule player violated: map hack
Time of incidents (Note in-game timer or replay timer):37 seconds in game he clicked sniper fog click, 4 minutes into game pudge uses bottle and heads for invis rune bottom without vision, pudge clicks sniper about 6 minutes in. fog click.[ possible instant click on blue bug ], around 10 minutes pudge heads into forest towards sniper and attempts a kill about 10 minutes 40 seconds, 12 minutes 53 seconds pudge is invis and he heads straight for skymage near rosh, 13 minutes 42 seconds pudge hooks sniper at first creep camp, 18 minutes 20 seconds pudge is dodging tiny, 30 minutes 2 seconds pudge pings me[necrolyte] in the forest with no vision. 28 minutes 34 seconds lion clicked sniper[fog click],
Any further thoughts: I am aware that this is not the first time someone has reported formadawgs. please remove this person from adminship and from ent. we do not need hackers on ent.

[CrowsZero]

Ok, So....I watched the replay and noticed that at approximately 12:36 (replay elapse time) Pudge enters sent ramp at bot near rune and hooks sniper. Sniper was about to go down the hill toward the ramp where pudge came from. Pudge apparently hooked sniper as he was coming down the ramp. I don't know how Formadawgs can explain that. Sniper was hooked at around 12:38-39 (replay elapse time). I have re-watched this scene 3 times and am sure no one can have that kind of reflexes....as sniper came right into vison, pudge's hook was already in animation. What led up to that was interesting as at around 12:12-14(replay elapse time) Pudge grabbed illusion rune and heads toward sent mid tower. At 12:24(replay elapse time) pudge looked like he was heading straight for sniper or skymage in the forest, but then decided to use his illusion rune. He didn't stop there, he kept moving down river heading toward sniper. At 12:38-39(replay elapse time) at 1/2 speed, you can clearly see that pudge initiated his hook while Sniper was not in vison yet!!! HAHAHAHA got caught right there. I am busy atm but i will post the time for his fog ping on necrolyte in 30 mins or so.
I found another interesting bit on Formadawgs. at around 13:20. Pudge headed toward tiny, who was hiding in the trees. After sent players died, tiny went and hid there with no vision from the scourge team being able to see. As pudges allies were heading toward mid sent tower, pudge decides to head toward tiny and walk pass a little before missing his hook. At that moment Tiny showed a little glimpse of himself as pudge was apparently passing by. So Formadawgs can make the excuse that he was either scouting and just so happens to see tiny walk out a little or that he was warding, but pudge had no wards on him. There was no reason for pudge to go that direction. Seriously, explain yourself pudge.

Found another funny moment with pudge. At around 14:55-57(replay elapse time) Pudge is invis and decides to check in the trees above rosh where he found skymage waiting. Why did pudge head straight to that area and not get ready to gank tiny or shadowdemon? Either that was good scouting or pure mh to me.

Found another moment that led up to a suspicious hook. At 15:25(replay elapse time) Sniper is in vision for a split second due to clinks passing by at the second neutral camp. Then at 15:33(replay elapse time) Sniper is shown in vision for a second then disappears. At 15:38(replay elapse time) Pudge and bs is going down the ramp to 2nd neutral camp and then headed toward first neutral camp. At 15:43-44, you can see the neutral bears apparently chasing something in the fog, so formadawg can use that as an excuse. I don't think so. Looking at it closely 3 times again. The neutrals was shown moving toward something in the Pudge's vision, and pudge hooks immediately and getting sniper. That is QUITE an amazing "reflex" hook. Pudges hooks are early and precise as hell. I watched this at 1/2 speed and normal speed. At normal speed, there was no way in hell pudge would've reflex hook that fast. At half speed, it was within .5 seconds that pudge saw the neutrals chasing something in the fog when he had vision of the neutrals. In normal gameplay speed, no way in hell dude. Got caught right there Formadawgs!

Ok! Heres another. At 20:17(replay elapse time) Pudge was heading down the ramp with haste after just killing skymage. Pudge hooks tiny as the sent players were chasing pudge. Pudge runs toward the river from ramp but necrolyte was almost there so pudge decided to keep moving in the forest. At 20:27-28(replay elapse time) Pudge used bottle an was heading out of the forest but then decided to turn back even though he had no vision after going up and down the ramp to the 2nd neutral camp. At 20:29(replay elapse time) Pudge turns and tries to go back up the ramp. Tiny(who i just witnessed with no prior vison apparently also turned back and heading toward where pudge was heading. I also think that this tiny MH because of that. Shadow was almost there so Pudge decides to turn back and head down 2nd neutral camp. At 12:40-42(replay elapse time) pudge attempts to hide in the trees next to the 2nd neutral ramp. Tiny went lothars and avalanched pudge. Know that pudge had no chance to escape, he decided to head toward Necrolyte who was chasing from river the whole time. Pudge then dies. Just seeing how pudge was moving so suspiciously without vision of the sent players makes me stand by my claim that he does mh.

At 32:06(Replay elapse time) THE BIG PING on necrolyte!!! LOL pudge was heading toward necrolyte after he pinged Necrolyte in the forest with fog. I checked everywhere, there are no vision from any scourge players, no wards that are near by. Formadawgs you are a bad hacker and liar! Agreements I am ashamed you defend this sad human known as Formadawgs. Just so Agreements don't get confused, These times are in [REPLAY ELAPSE TIME]. Please ban and remove this Formadawgs from ENT please

I did not find any fog clicks from pudge, but watching his movements and seeing that Fog Ping on necrolyte is enough for my case to be made. I watched the replay from sniper's vision and pudge's. Spent a good hour going through and cycling out the times of incidents. I would like to see what Formadawgs has to say about these events.

[bane]

at about 10 minutes 35 seconds replay timer pudge and clinkz is ganking sentinel forest and pudge hooks sniper who is from high ground through the fog of war. how do you justify this? I watched this replay 4 times and they had no vision what so ever.

at about 12 minutes 57 seconds replay timer pudge has invis and intentionally walks into the trees north of roshan to reveal skymage hidden within. don't seem like a coincidence to me.

at 13 minutes 44 seconds game time pudge heads towards snipers position in first camp nearest to sentinel base and blind hooks through fog of war. how did he even know he was there.

at 18 minutes 25 seconds game time pudge mid with haste with a pursuing tiny. tiny is about to cut his path off so he attempts to dodge.

at exactly 30 minutes game time pudge pings right on me in forest exactly where I was standing at my exact position and they approach.

if pudge is not using map hack then he must have been getting advice from his friend who was. this should be of some offense just as big an offense as someone map hacking. idk if they spoke in chat log or vent or whatever but theres no denying that pudge could have not done all this without some map hacking in their team and he intentionally abused it.


as for me you played with me before and you know I don't map hack. at that point in time tiny's illusion was at that spot giving vision of the centaur for a split moment. if any clicks from me were on the centaurs that would have been the case. and on second thought wat kind of player would be clicking neutrals for fun anyways if they were gonna kill the camp... your post about me map hacking is invalid.

[bane]

as for me you played with me before and you know I don't map hack. at that point in time tiny's illusion was at that spot giving vision of the centaur for a split moment. if any clicks from me were on the centaurs that would have been the case. and on second thought wat kind of player would be clicking neutrals for fun anyways if they were gonna kill the camp... your post about me map hacking is invalid.

You made a lot of clicks in that game. Also on the vile, you never got vision at all.

as from your post there was nothing present so don't change what you already posted. you played with me before you can even monitor my games you know I don't hack

[CrowsZero]

Ok. Cyberpunk This is very very exciting!! I'm waiting for Formadawgs and his butt-hacking-buddies to respond.

Ok. Agreements Don't be surprised for what you are about to see from Formadawgs, that guy sure knows not to fog click, but bad at hiding his mhing movements and fog pinging once on necrolyte I just love this moment so much. Would love to hear more from the Formerdawgs so much.

[ForMaDawgS]

heres what i have to say:

i use to never play pudge for this reason my pudge hooks are insane crazy and fast i use to only play pudge if i randomed but the last few days i been feeling like a pudge day no fogclicks and that ping on top of nec was not what you think it was when ever i ping enemy forest i do it randomly to say lets gank it was a lucky ping lol.
i use to brag that i don't play pudge enless i randomed. but now that people suggest i maphack im flattered

[CrowsZero]

Ok Forma! Explain the hook at ramp on sniper? 1/2 speed, with pudges vision, he never had vision of sniper but started his hook animation right before sniper appeared. Please explain big boy! Still that fog ping was nice, precise, and right on big boy!

[bane]

heres what i have to say:

i use to never play pudge for this reason my pudge hooks are insane crazy and fast i use to only play pudge if i randomed but the last few days i been feeling like a pudge day no fogclicks and that ping on top of nec was not what you think it was when ever i ping enemy forest i do it randomly to say lets gank it was a lucky ping lol.
i use to brag that i don't play pudge enless i randomed. but now that people suggest i maphack im flattered

ur also the one who said your map hacking friend did nothing wrong. don't be too flattered wat makes you think this post is also far from the truth. we will wait and see wat cyber thinks about this. im done responding here and will wait for the final

[ForMaDawgS]

lol you have a problem ?? lol every one is laughing at you behind the scenes its okay ill humor you

as i said before the ping on top of nec was a random one as for movements and the hooks ima very skilled pudge player after you play dota for 7 years ya pick some things up as for your friend bane he was maphacking lol so go bitch at him.




but over all its skill and map awareness.

as for juicy i didnt knoiw he was hacking i just met him 3 days before.

and as for you bane you were caught maphacking and are mad so u want to get me banned a good skilled player who infact doesnt hack.

and i have banned so mny people for maphack its not funny.



but seeing your posts about my hooks and reflexs and movements flatter me. you took probably several hours out of your day just to get denied LOL

[CrowsZero]

Please Forma!! You are hilarious, i posted what I had to say. Wait for the response from other admins. I simply reviewed your movements and looked at the visions of tiny, sniper, and pudge. For sure, Tiny mh and got you with avalanche when you hid, but before that, you were moving around and avoiding like a boss. LOL. The 1/2 speed replay of you hooking sniper at ramp is hilarious as it can be. You can't deny that one dude. Im done talking to you Forma.

[cyberpunk]

Please forma, explain this movement.
Replay timer: around 12:30
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[ForMaDawgS]

i check rune ever chance i get dude i don't understand check rune run to there jungle dude they are obviously lower lvled and lower hp so i gank alot ...

[matdas]

then explain this:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28kn2xh&s=6

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28tc8xw&s=6

You are casting your hook before you even have vision....

I would like to mention how blue was in jungle for over 1 minute without being seen.

[karasu.]

I tend to agree with matdas since I have watched the replay as well, how did you cast hook without vision?

[ForMaDawgS]

well its in my gaming experience
you throw hooks up ramp to see what you get and in this one instance i was lucky and right to throw a blind hook is this the only one iffy movement if it is this is no evidence at all where is the hardcore evidence i have done alot for ent i want this to be more thorough 1 iffy hook and its ban lol.. no fog clicks so let me ask you again is this all there is?