Suggestion regarding bans

[Psyclone]

Hi everyone

Since it is very hard to find enough players to start a game, I thought of substituting bans with a harder elo punishment. Because when a team of three people gets banned for 3 days, this is in fact a punishment also for the other lihl members since its harder to start a game. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers

[ArMeDaNdDeAdLy]

To sum it up cause this have been discussed a lot in the past
a)cant be done
b)Will fuck up the elo which represent each players skill

[Krumme]

This has been talked over a million times @psyclone and it wont be changed as ELO is a way to show skill and therefor more elo punishment would ruin that.
So I have one answer to your question - STOP BREAKING THE RULES!? Dissapointing to see LIHL players breaking rules (apart from the new clog rule which isn't bulletproof)

[Psyclone]

Just to clarify @Krumme: I didn't break any rule and I never got banned here so far. Was a simple suggestion, so calm your tits.

Btw: If you see ELO as a genuine indicator for skill, why do you allow DC Pen?

[Krumme]

You prefer being banned for one day every time you DC @psyclone ? no I didn't think so. So until you actually have something intelligent to say please don't say anything.
The dc pen is there to
1. Punish people so they wont DC again (and in the end to prevent someone gaining anything from plugging their internet)
2. To give the players that have lost time and a chance of winning the game something back

More elo for dc penalty would ruin the ELO system even more.

Please do feel free to add a intelligent response if you are capable of such.

[elektro]

well i think each player could disconnect pre lvl 20 2 or 3 times, that remaining to be discussed. after that limit we could apply the dc penalty, with higher dc penalty if necessary. I thought about this one thinking not all players rage quits. I got 4 dc penalty (-83 elo) one of them for dc lvl 1. i used to have a proplem with my laptop and if i had been playing for more than 2 3 hours my warcraf got stucked, that happened all 4 times. I managed to fix that it was an update for my video card. thats my call, dont know if u think its smart enough.

[Psyclone]

You prefer being banned for one day every time you DC @psyclone ? no I didn't think so. So until you actually have something intelligent to say please don't say anything.
The dc pen is there to
1. Punish people so they wont DC again (and in the end to prevent someone gaining anything from plugging their internet)
2. To give the players that have lost time and a chance of winning the game something back

More elo for dc penalty would ruin the ELO system even more.

Please do feel free to add a intelligent response if you are capable of such.

Haha you're an amazing guy. "DC Pen people so they don't DC again." Dude, do you have a master's degree in hermeneutics? Obviously not. DC Pen does not (sic!) stabilize your internet connection.

The 2 points you state aren't really answering my (obviously rhethoric) question: DC has nothing to do with skill. Point. So it should not be implemented according to inherent logic of the 'skill representing argument' by armed.

[aRt)Y]

DC Pen does not (sic!) stabilize your internet connection.

You didn't understand what he says. Punishing players with ELO (in this case due to the frequency) reduces the overall disconnect rate because players are supposed to use re-connection tools or will stop plugging out because they are afraid of using ELO.

The 2 points you state aren't really answering my (obviously rhethoric) question: DC has nothing to do with skill. Point. So it should not be implemented according to inherent logic of the 'skill representing argument' by armed.

That's per se correct and many suggestions have already been denied for that very reason.

So would you consider actual unvouch durations as a proper solution?

[Diablo_]

The posted comments already answer everything.

1) We won't use Elo penalties instead of temporary unvouches for reasons posted above.
2) DC penalties are a mean to reduce overall disconnects which needs to be done since disconnects destroy a huge part of the fun. It should also slightly reward the players who wasted their time. Dc penalty vs a temp unvouch is a legit discussion, but we decided several times that we see dc penalties as more effective and fairer.

Archiving, thanks for the suggestion anyway.