Need eldryan suggestion fast

[godlik3]

rather than oldschool players who think they invented legion and we must do what they

I dont know if u r joking or not.
If you dont know, lihl players didnt envent legion td but for sure they invented all strategies on this game!
First lihl players invent strategies than after pubbers copy.
Lihl ivemted the double build, cross, yolo, the hard send on 7 and also the max king on it. The wyerns on 10,the mass on 31...anything you do on that game, lihl players invented!
So you need to give them credit.

[MrNoob]

I can really answer to that in a good way but i dont need since it would be offtopic. Just don`t act like Legion td started in ent. And every game is diffrent and a team can play is as he wish. He dont need to follow "ur" invented strategies.

[Diablo_]

That suggestion would only be useless work.
The affect of it would be so minimal, plus it can "backfire" aswell when a new player is rated too low with 800 Elo etc.

[MarshMallows]

would it be possible for them to play games and have their starting elo not effect the game at all, as if they just had a blank score? Then after 25 games they get the elo they would have had if they started on 1000. Their elo wont have effected the games and they will then have an elo that is appropriate for their skill after 25 games

[nabo.]

So...just make the starting elo 800? Dont see why we need the +/- afterwards.

If newbies are bad, wouldnt their elo drop anyway though?

[Krumme]

The point by adding ELO later is so it's not completely unfair and much harder for newbies to get a proper ELO

[nabo.]

I hear trial period is about 2 weeks.
I dont think it is too unfair since if you have 800 elo, you will gain more elo from each game during the two weeks and by ur standards new players dont know lihl games, so they "probably" better reflect the 800 elo compared to the veterans active 800 elo players in the league. Or, we can just make it so after the trial period, they can start anew as 1k elo.

Not too much work to do this.

If this will help you guys balance ur games more, ok.

[eldryan]

@eldryan , I did read it all. I dont think its a really bad idea because all new players will get teamed up with highest elo players but u forget there are many oldschool and good players who are around 800 so its not really going to work.
Also, i like more to play in team with new players in lihl, who all listen to each other and do their best to proove theirself rather than oldschool players who think they invented legion and we must do what they say. Maybe half of my games are vs beep or artmas in enemy team with oldschool 800elo players and i dont think it was such a big deal? Game is the same for both. All that a new player needs is to adapt fast and have brain(brain>balls).

good players at 800 are the reason why this is needed. because they shouldn't be on the team with players who are also good at 1200, against new vouches who aren't...
in terms of thinking we invented legion, it's not too inaccurate considering the mapmakers have been in contact with LIHL.

@nabo. if a noob is good (rare) then they would be inaccurately penalized for being new.

[MrNoob]

I really think this is so unnecessary. All the new vouches (including me) are doing more than fine atm. The only idea that i think will be good is Marsh`s, but i dont think if this is possible. All others are useless and wont have much effect. Also i find disturbing just because a player is new to start with 800 because he is still "noob"? If he is noob, hes place is not in lihl. If he got vouched, he must have equal rights to all players. Just because someone is new in lihl, doesnt mean hes bad player.

[eldryan]

I really think this is so unnecessary. All the new vouches (including me) are doing more than fine atm. The only idea that i think will be good is Marsh`s, but i dont think if this is possible. All others are useless and wont have much effect. Also i find disturbing just because a player is new to start with 800 because he is still "noob"? If he is noob, hes place is not in lihl. If he got vouched, he must have equal rights to all players. Just because someone is new in lihl, doesnt mean hes bad player.

he isn't vouched... I suggest you actually read the thread.

Furthermore, if a new vouch (kind of definitively noob) is just joining LIHL he isn't equal to the average LIHL players. if marsh's idea is good to you,it means you believe players don't start as good as 1k when they join because they aren't ready to be placed at 1k... it would still mess up other teammate's elo by losing, not just theirs. this means placing them at a low ELO even though they just joined (eg. 800) to balance teams.

lastly, half the players under 900 new vouches, so not all new vouches are doing fine..

[MarshMallows]

My idea doesn't suggest that people aren't good when they first join LIHL. But we all know the skill levels of new players can be very erratic.

[eldryan]

My idea doesn't suggest that people aren't good when they first join LIHL. But we all know the skill levels of new players can be very erratic.

everyone starts at 1k. even if you are good, you start at 1k. however, new vouches before they are vouched shouldn't be considered on-par with LIHL starting level, and should enter at 900 (not 800, as people should know...)

[nabo.]

@art)y What is the mode value and average elo in lihl?

If they join during the season and if the avg elo is close to 800, I dont see why not start as 800 during trial period at least for more balanced games.

If you guys think it is unfair...start at 900 ok. Or, they can start as 1000 just like any other lihl player once trial period is over.

[Krumme]

nabo. I am confused - the avg elo is 1000 all the time in the league cause ELO given to someone for a win is taken from someone and the other way around.

This statement ^ would be ruined by editing people's elo as by the end of the season the avg wouldn't be 1000 elo if say someone starts with 800 elo but only get 100 bonus elo by the end of the season if that person has won more than he has lost (not that the avg elo matters to me, just stating some elo would "dissapear")

[eldryan]

nabo. I am confused - the avg elo is 1000 all the time in the league cause ELO given to someone for a win is taken from someone and the other way around.

This statement ^ would be ruined by editing people's elo as by the end of the season the avg wouldn't be 1000 elo if say someone starts with 800 elo but only get 100 bonus elo by the end of the season if that person has won more than he has lost (not that the avg elo matters to me, just stating some elo would "dissapear")

you could scale the elo bonus to the elo achieved to eliminate this affect. I would have to see the calculation formula, but I'm sure it can be adjusted properly.