Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby nabo. » Fri May 01, 2015 2:45 pm

Wolke wrote:Sounds unfair to me. If there 2 player, 1 with the chance to hold, the other plays suicide yolo, why ban the one who yolos if the holder fails, since he has the chance to hold more easy. This rules makes some units not playable anymore. Why should i risc getting banned if i play yolo until 10.
I see the first Scientist ff after leaking wave 4 and 5 :|

Doubt you gotta suicide yolo all the time and not just yolo. There will be clog in 2v2?
For scientist yolo, you can definitely yolo with 500 value at lvl 7 and 675 value at lvl 8... Remember, you will only be penalized if there is a clog. If you are doing bad failing yolo or suiciding hard, your team should be building just a bit more than usual to hold more or leak less.

You leak lvl 4 hard with scientists????? you need 300 value at lvl 3 if no send, 350-400 if send to hold... and lvl4 recommended value is 650, so requirement value according to rule is at least 300 if there is a clog which you should already have by lvl 3.....so not sure how you yolo with scientists.
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby pewpew lasergun » Fri May 01, 2015 7:45 pm

mortar yolo is fine the player wont be penalized if no clog.
but if 3 players out of 4 are mortar, sprite, chariot, the Team has to !ff even if there is a holder, if they play like past season

thats the reason diablo_ didnt agree with the changes.

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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby Diablo_ » Fri May 01, 2015 8:52 pm

Right now both teams would have to !ff in a totally normal game .. yea cool stuff.
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby nabo. » Fri May 01, 2015 10:27 pm

pewpew lasergun wrote:mortar yolo is fine the player wont be penalized if no clog.
but if 3 players out of 4 are mortar, sprite, chariot, the Team has to !ff even if there is a holder, if they play like past season

thats the reason diablo_ didnt agree with the changes.

Ok, there are those who have problems with the changes. But, if you aint gonna suggest an alternative or synthesis solution, you just Q_Qing. The QQ has moved on from tower value to !ff complaints? ha........i remember supersexyy saying people should just !ff clogged games. If you dont want a team to !ff, you want them banned rather? I am fine with that. All of you cloggers should just get banned for exploiting this game to shits or are you going to argue with me that clogging is some legit strat?

Hmm 3/4 are mortars. There are no other tower choices? I wonder. You want to play -sd mode instead? Games should not be played like the past season...aint that the point of these rules and why majority of league players voted for some type of anti-clog rule?

Either you play clog games with certain conditions or play a non-clog game. Choice is yours.
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby supersexyy » Fri May 01, 2015 10:58 pm

I never said that... wtf?
I suggested some win conditions for fun week (nothing to do with clog).
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby nabo. » Fri May 01, 2015 11:31 pm

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... it#p207517
supersexyy wrote:You know there is something wrong with player skill when 'no-one could hold 5 without staying 2-0'.

We should make a new rule. 50+ leaks to king you have to forfeit the game. Suitable rules to govern this (eg if both teams leak 50+) can be discussed later as to not clog this thread.

Was it this topic? Thought you did or someone else did in another topic.

pewpew lasergun wrote:very good idea. but i think will change the game.
straight save to 7 or to 10 there is ur 50+ leak.

we can exclude some lvls like 10.
and maybe add 50 leaks without at least 1 person going mid.

again the way to fix this pb is hpmmcb
there is no better way.

You guys like this idea more? I see a thumbs up from pewpew. wow.

Anyway, dont waste my time if you guys are not gonna help me or suggest anything workable.
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby HealByColor » Sat May 02, 2015 1:54 am

iightfyre wrote:I still think the rules and penalties are getting out of hand. I blame the players for crying at everything and not being able to take some things in stride.

Shame that a 'friendly and competitive' league has become a 'point the finger at everyone else but yourself' league in which a player who makes one mistake (i.e. missing a king heal) immediately gets a 1.5 day unvouch; with 2 points that now serve as a baseline for other infractions to build upon... And then it can be anonymously reported? Like taddling on someone in school by leaving a note under the principals door? C'mon...

When kickers in the NFL miss crutial field goals, they aren't suspended. Yet isn't this their job? When a basketball player misses a free throw he isn't immediately benched. Missed passes, dropped balls, fumbles, interceptions, missed putts, strike outs, walks, etc etc. These are just some examples.. C'mon, even the pros make a lot of mistakes in their professions in which they get paid.. but an online video game community can't accept mistakes?

Makes me upset that this league is sounding like an elitist hangout where fun and camaraderie comes second to yolo-perfection and finger pointing. But then again, I haven't been active in some time.. so who am I to judge :-P

I completely agree with this I mean to be honest every player has missed a heal I mean really.... yes we're the best at legion but really we don't get paid or anything this is wc3ft this game is like 13 years old. I would also like to mention when I have missed a heal before I feel like shit like total shit and the loss means nothing to me its the fact that I messed up and cost the game potentially. I am not sure If all feel this way but everyone should. People need to chill out and play this game at an elite lvl if they can not play at a elite lvl unvouch not that hard... Generally if a player is not good enough to be in lihl its pretty obvious and you will get many complaints. Mistake aka miss-heal first offense should not = 2 day unvouch or any unvouch really
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby HealByColor » Sat May 02, 2015 1:57 am

For the clog rule go off a majority discression if found guilty -50 elo. I bet that will end intentional clogging fast!
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby pewpew lasergun » Sat May 02, 2015 2:00 am

my first game of the season, all drama and ignorant players who refuse to follow the !ff rules when being told.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=5722319

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told achillesgr to rr round 1 to avoid clog 7 8, he did and got pissed cause i ruined his jack, then later flame curse ignore me saying i am wrong bout rules.
ignorance is bliss right achillesgr
not to mention wolke got confused and had bad rr and got 240 value i think, these rules gona get all players unvouched until they adjust at least and follow the rules.
diablo_ and nore confirmed !ff, was requested by diablo_, no !ff done.

very simple solution. HPMMCB

so i think yes -HPMMCB is the best option, it doesnt give gold from king or even from mid leaks. so if players clog, and the other team doesnt, they cant recover easily and they lose. some will claim that its still possible to abuse the clog in this mode, which is not true for most cases, its just an argument that players who dislike this mode and the new rules would say. the proof is that those same players stopped playing dodging games when it was -hpmmcb week.

all the best players therefore the most senior will support this mode.
and all the new not so new vouches will dislike it.
but now the new rules are basically an equivalent to -hpmmcb to some extent , so dislike it or not its the rules.

I suggested before for this to be implemented before with a poll at least for the 4s, i got flamed for daring to make such a poll, results were i think 45% for and 55% against.

-HPMMCB in 4S
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby nabo. » Sat May 02, 2015 2:22 am

@Healbycolor

Need 2 no-heals for 1.5 days unvouch, not 1.
Not all no heals are a mistake.

Personally, I do think players should be penalized for multiple "unclear" or "unintentional" no-heals. How many unintentional or unclear no-heal incidents would you deem acceptable till a 1.5 day unvouch should be given as a warning? 2? 3? 4? 5? 10?

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Will check the game later/tomorrow.

Will look into the mode.
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Re: Changes to the LIHL Reform based on Community Feedback

Postby elektro » Mon May 04, 2015 7:15 pm

agree @aRt)y .


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