Remove the stupid !ff command

[420-4-Life]

Please remove this command, I'm sick and tired of playing 8 minute dota games because little girls cant handle deaths early on. This pussy command has no reason to even be added to dota.

[NutzSucksHard]

From time one doesn't vote, the game doesn't end right? So till you don't do it, people should keep playing. If they afk grief, ruin game, report them, warn in game them that !ff doesn't mean sit in fountain. (Well, if it's about to end, like in 1-2 min I'm ok with it) but if they could defend and extend to 5 - 10 min, report it. Don't get mad, it's just because sometime, there's 2 leaver on a team, and the 3 other just want to start a new one, so they !ff. Faster end. Oh and if they don't and all leave. You will be able to farm them on kill and ruin stats. Compare that when they !ff, it stop counting kill.

[DAbot]

How do you expect we to play -apem if !forfeit is removed?

[zerodenies]

whether you remove it or not, it seems a bit unfair to have the old school accounts carry the same stats when they have been playing when !ff was not in place.
it makes the oldschool accounts (ie. adventureclubs account is a good example, i remember playing a pub long ago) look A LOT better than it actually is.
and hypothetically it can ruin a lot of late game strategy teams.

example:
scrouge have 2 hard carrys (a pl and a naix)
sents have a hard pushing line up (furion, pugna, rhasta, krob, abba) and they are aiming to finish before pl and naix get farmed.

early game sents will dominate, the kill score might even be 20-8 in favour of sents. but than pl gets his radiance/heart, naix finishes his armlet and halfway to his ac.
a good sent team knows its over at this point and they ff.

and so you end up with pl having 1-4 and naix with maybe 0-3... and the game is over.

it ruins the fun for the hard carrys. its like the sents have fun early game because thats what they are good at, and than as soon as the tables turn, they abort the game. so basically the hard carrys just afk farmed for 25 minutes and had the game end.

[Kaisereo]

Personally, I like the !ff command. It makes my enemies squirm for my mercy when I'm breaking hell on them and there is nothing they can do but give into my wrath.

On a serious note, it also allows players in games to end an oblivious game quickly.

[zerodenies]

i just wish the !ff command was there in the first place. I remember so many games (when ent servers weren't as popular) where ppl would fountain farm for 30 minute straight cause soooo many team would leave thinking "meh its just an ENT game".
there was like 200-0 kdr and shit.

[VirusHunter]

i agree with the !ff command. i think its good to have incase a game gets way out of hand you can end the madness. however i do think that we should put maybe a time restraint on it. like say you cant ff until atleast 15 min's has passed in a game. i know other hosts have it set to 30 but i feel thats too long. i think 15 is a good standard time.

[DreathKnight]

i agree with the !ff command. i think its good to have incase a game gets way out of hand you can end the madness. however i do think that we should put maybe a time restraint on it. like say you cant ff until atleast 15 min's has passed in a game. i know other hosts have it set to 30 but i feel thats too long. i think 15 is a good standard time.

I disagree with you. I think the !ff command should be based of the number of players left in the game. If there are less than 8 players in the game ie. 3v5, then the !ff command should be enabled. I don't think people should just be forfeiting just because they know they won't win. If it's a 5v5, then the game shouldn't just end because you have no hope on winning, suck it up and fight on. What's the fun in playing DotA if you just decide to !ff in every game you can't win?

[FTHGN]

What's the fun in an enemy team that fountain farms 2.5 minutes retreats for 1 minute and then comes b?
I could agree with !ff enabled after 15 Minutes but then plz make it a majority-vote as well.

[VirusHunter]

What's the fun in an enemy team that fountain farms 2.5 minutes retreats for 1 minute and then comes b?
I could agree with !ff enabled after 15 Minutes but then plz make it a majority-vote as well.

the only majority you can have is 100% vote from your team. asking the other team to !ff for you is never gonna happen lol. then having !FF will literally be useless.

I disagree with you. I think the !ff command should be based of the number of players left in the game. If there are less than 8 players in the game ie. 3v5, then the !ff command should be enabled. I don't think people should just be forfeiting just because they know they won't win. If it's a 5v5, then the game shouldn't just end because you have no hope on winning, suck it up and fight on. What's the fun in playing DotA if you just decide to !ff in every game you can't win?

i could see having it for unbalanced teams aswell but that brings me to my next question. why dont we have any games with the "so" mode on. so if it does become 3v5 we can make it 4v4. then again it might mess with elo gained/lost.. so idk. but im looking at this objectively. i rarely !ff. but there is those games when you are just beaten. our classed either by player skill or hero selection. so i can understand wanting to just get that game over with, and go move on to the next one to play. maybe they canmake a !ff abuse rule lol. so you cant just keep trying to !ff in every game.

[FTHGN]

FTHGN wrote:What's the fun in an enemy team that fountain farms 2.5 minutes retreats for 1 minute and then comes b?
I could agree with !ff enabled after 15 Minutes but then plz make it a majority-vote as well.


the only majority you can have is 100% vote from your team. asking the other team to !ff for you is never gonna happen lol. then having !FF will literally be useless.

The Majority in a Team is 3 out of 5;) Its pretty annoying if the feeder dont forfeit so u have to go on

[VirusHunter]

^ this is true. some game ruiners like to make things a pain in the ass :/ unfortunately all you can resort to is votekick and even then your asking for them to kick their food.