Wall Walking Poll - Make your vote count!

[Merex]

No, I will not PM you because this is an irrelevant conversation and you're obviously on a rage if you are to make comparisons between TnE and ID.

Edit:

HOWEVER builders with wall walk avoid the well deserved death and circumvent game balance via abusing a game mechanic.

Or you can just use ward blocks + wotw as even @aRt)Y stated and this could just be avoidable for a long-term argument that's still brewing.

[ShadowZz]

Ignorance is bliss.

[Merex]

You say Ignorance and yet you're raging at me via PM with more curse words then anyone in the ENT community and trying to fight off BurnShady or anyone else who has an opposing argument..? Please get a sense of things.

[ShadowZz]

I'll happily post it here but I see no reason to put it in this topic. Discussing why you take a different stance depending on the game mode has no reason to be here.

[Merex]

The game mode? How does wall-walking (escaping-related ability) have anything to do with game modes...? Like I said, get a sense of things please ShadowZz.

[ShadowZz]

The idea that you call it an "escaping related ability" proves my point exactly.

Orc style building is where a unit steps into the building to create it.

Wall walking is where a person abuses orc style building to repeatedly build building and cancel them to make themselves unattackable and unnukable whilst moving in a direction away from the titan.

Let's follow your previous arguments for "Glitch abuse" and "Game mechanic abuse".
Was this intended? No.
Does it give the builder an unfair advantage? Yes. The game is balanced without wall walk included. It effectively adds escape abilities to the builder.
Does this give the Titan an unfair advantage? Yes. The other builders gold whilst he wastes time chasing or as Burn said he simply cannot kill a builder that can wall walk until he has a minion and wastes gold to counter it.

Edit: Giving me 24/7 bullshit about not raging makes me more angry. So what if I'm passionate about a game enough to get upset about it. I'd rather be passionate and rage than be a mindless doormat.

[Merex]

It's a simple counter: Don't follow the wallwalkers or find a very simple way to kill them. I've seen it done before and I've seen even BurnShady himself die because of it, not commenting on skills ofc but merely just those small mistakes that backfire aka a worthy counter. I won't comment on your ignorance to TnE related glitches merely because you've taken too much participation and have blinded yourself by your own rage.

[ShadowZz]

This is exactly my point. You don't seem to understand the underlying FACT here.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COUNTER IT.

Everyone wants to sit here and go on about how you can counter it if you have blah with blah eventually. I can name glitches we currecntly ban for off the top of my head with less impact and easy counters. Why are we ignorant of one that is completely broken.

[Merex]

Because the wall-walking essentially isn't game breaking.. I mean honestly, sure it gives an advantage but it's just a building style. The fact people have evolved into this is just a rather unfortunate and yet completely focused strategy to assure their own survival/use of entertainment primarily. You can say that it's game breaking but the accuracy isn't perfect and besides, all you have to do is just move into the direction they're walling or wotw them. Those kind-of counters are relevant to everyday Island Defense strategies on killing builders.

[ShadowZz]

We proved a long time ago that a good wall walker can move faster than the titan can walk. Even Burn can agree with me on that. Also using wotw on a wall walker with only the titan there will essentially allow you to hit them once. So I need 3 wotw?

[Merex]

Or maybe position yourself correctly? Besides, avoiding a wall walker is little impact to a titan. Ignore them, move to the next builders, kill them/feed off their bases then deal with the wall walkers with minion support and if they decide to base then it will just flow back into the normal gameplay of Island Defense.

[ShadowZz]

I forgot that having to completely ignore killing a builder due to them abusing a game mechanic is completely balanced. My bad.

Your arguments so far have been that it can be countered and the counters you have listed are all bad at best. They also rely on titan knowledge and skill to pull them off. I know it looks like I'm dismissing your so called suggestions/reasoning but seriously how can you possibly think that is balanced.

[Merex]

You're not ''avoiding to kill a builder''. You are either unwilling to kill them or you are preventing yourself from chasing them. They're not unkillable ShadowZz. My main point is, you wanna ban a normal building style from Island Defense with little occurrences and truly ''abusive game mechanics.'' If you are unwilling to see the simplified counters then you are revolving around your own world of thoughts and not a generalized view on things.

[ShadowZz]

There's a difference between truly abusive game mechanics and abusive game mechanics? Well hell I had no idea that abusing game mechanics was fine so long as it wasn't truly abusive. Really enlightening.

I completely agree there not unkillable. However your giving a builder extra escape abilities that it shouldn't have when the game is already balanced without them. This in turn causes imbalance. If we give this ability to every single builder, would the game be balanced? No. But because it's only a few we shouldn't care?

[Burn]

I'm done arguing with Shadowzz, since I'm just repeating myself over and over again. Maybe if you played 100 or so games of Morphling just sheep tagging all game, then 100 games of Faerie wall walking all game, then you'll understand where I am coming from.

Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but I'm done arguing.

Offer is still on the table by the way, 1v1 demo against any titan that is not Bubo, details can be discussed.

-Burn