Poll about one specific rule .

[Don_Killuminati]

About rule : '' moderators can not be kicked from obs spot ''
Looks like a selfish rule which favors only one~two person , and could even hamper community since some peoples don't sign sometimes because that rule.

[KeeRo]

probably this rule can work only when we play tournaments, but not really for standard lihlgames
i support

[HealByColor]

The problem is the whole ss thing. I understand you're not talking about me lol

[Artichoke]

The problem is sometimes people want to play without any obs so there's 0 chance of ghosting or any other shady things going on. If someone asks for no obs all the obs should be forced to leave, even if they are mods. You speak about "integrity" but in my opinion the most fair games are the ones with no obs at all. That way there's a 0% chance of ghosting. Not saying you or any other mods would ghost but we can't be 100% certain and it's a bit disconcerting when some obs has 3 friends on the enemy team and they just happen to always send at the right times / OB for the right levels.

[pewpew lasergun]

i think ask the mod in question to not ob your game and leave. i think its fair.
unless the mod has a concern and is doing his job ( such as reviewing a new trial vouch, mh ... ) then he can refuse your request and enforce the rule.

[Don_Killuminati]

Well if it was been discussed i wanna know by who to who since i never heard about that discussion before . .
For the first point, that why i make that Poll to probe community and i think that what we need ( I think it's really important to probe community about all things by Polls ) , and ur point of view is yours and i respect it but it's not a general truth so we should let the community speak .
Second point, you act on 0.1% games u obs so i don't think it's big deal : about dark green and delay too far all can be reported by players and reviews by replays, so really not big deal at all.
I also propose to choose a entforum account where to post a ss test if need, so we can also ask for ss test even if no mods obs.

P.S : I played like 1000 lihl games , and you intervened only 1time for 1ss test which was requested 2season before.

I also never talked about restriction on obs in general since i think the obs rule is pretty good : if someone wont obs , obs should be kicked and i think it should be aplly for all players even for mods since mods have no impact in games .

Regards

[Artichoke]

The "facts" you're stating aren't really true. Last season there were several games where we kicked obs because someone didn't want them. Most of the time people obs and that's fine. I'm not sure you understand the argument since you say:

You want a specific rule regarding mods to not be able to obs

Which isn't what Don is going for at all. The idea is that if a player in a game wants no observers, then every obs should be kicked from said game regardless of who they are. SS tests, checking for green build, etc. can all be done without an obs and I'm pretty sure everyone knows the rules well enough to not build way too far into green or to use maphack.

Try being reasonable, or have solid reasons as to why you want there not to be obs, and this would seem more legit. Name one reason besides "possible ghosting"

First of all, I again get the impression you think Don is saying there should NEVER be obs which isn't the case; obs should only be kicked when a player wants it. That being said, a couple of minor reasons why obs can be detrimental:

1) It's annoying for people to see obs all chatting during a game

and

2) If obs lag it's very frustrating to deal with, especially since you can't !drop mods.

However, ghosting is the single major reason for this. Of course you can say a mod would never ghost and for the most part I'm inclined to believe you, but it's impossible to be sure and we have no way of knowing if it's happening or not. The only way to be certain is to have no obs. If Fua were to be playing and you were observing I could certainly see you giving her some tips which wouldn't be fair for the other team.

And finally:

Just kicking up dust for personal gains is all that I see here.

Can't speak for Don but I actually have nothing against you. I joke around a lot in game but it's all in good fun. The reason I post here is because I think this would be a good change to the rules, nothing more. Also, keep in mind that this change wouldn't really be noticeable most of the time. 90% of games there'd still be obs with no issues. This is just so people have the option to remove obs if they really want.

[Artichoke]

I can't apply the same logic I apply to you and Fua to me and Don for several reasons. The most obvious one is if I'm in a game and Don is obs, someone can say "KICK OBS" and Don WILL be kicked. If Fua is in a game and you're obs and someone says "KICK OBS", then their request will be ignored because of the rule that it's illegal to kick mods from obs spot.

Players can for the most part govern themselves using the replay system + this forum. If someone maphacks or builds WAY too far into green, people can report it. If someone builds 1 spot too far into green and nobody cares and it goes unreported, it's not a big deal since it doesn't affect the game anyway.

Clearly this argument is pointless since you have personal motives to keep the rule as is, and you will argue that Don and I have personal motives as well. In my opinion it's best to see what the community says and take it from there.

[HealByColor]

Please god tell me this isn't about what I think it is about. Rofl

[Artichoke]

Has nothing to do with Fua or anyone else was just an example lol. You guys need to calm down.

[Don_Killuminati]

Hmm guyz, looks like we mooving away from the topic . . .
If u guyz wanna speak about something else make a other topic or pm you plz.
I think I was pretty clear about the topic and if you wanna argue , don't argue about personal fact but more broadly about that rule .
From my point, that rule just be deleted since it brings nothing to the community and just for interest to benefit a small minority ( 1-2 person ).
As i said , for exemple , Nore acted only 1time on 1000games i played so i don't think mods have a impact in obs spot .

[tastay]

You can't just delete all my posts then make a reply to them

You are young so you don't understand the situation you are in but all I can do is try to help you but if you don't want to accept my advise then what can I do?

One day you will look back and be like "tastay was right all along"

Funny that this certain person has already ruined so many relationships in LIHL yet nothing happens to that person ey but you can take action against me if you want

[nabo.]

@eldiablo270
So, you suspect that mods who obs ghost?

[supersexyy]

Being able to kick any player from obs was a rule since day 1.
The current poll shows 2 things
1. Players don't like/trust the current mods.
2. The rule (as with most of the previous rules) should not have been changed.

[Krayyzie]

nabo There is a possilibity it can happen, and atleast 1 of the current obs got a history of ghosting, we took this up when the rule was changed last season, and we heavily got it back that there was 0 chance of changning back the rule... and as super says, players dont like/trust the current mods overall, which MIGHT, not sure, but MIGHT have been one of the reason why last season were way worse than previous ones.
This is pretty much the wrong question, in a good league where the mods were trusted and runs the league after how the league wants it, this rule would make noone mad, its all about having the right people moderate.

For example: now there is a new rule, which means that the moderators will remove, by my guess, remove all posts that are critics against themself, no matter how stupid moves they make...

*edit: Voted no, as there is nothing wrong about the rule...