[LTD] Ban mercenary on mega bot

[Uryn]

Referring to this topic: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=63675

Nabo said we can post a suggestion with poll, so I would like to start this.

Reasons why I would appreciate it to see Merc banned:
1. Merc is just better than any other builder.
2. Merc was implemented to help new players to comeback in a game, but it is not really used for this reason. I think I never played a game in the last fews months where this happened. It is just used by more experienced players to get an advantage.
3. Even worse are the incomers in cross that switch to merc to hold every level until 31. Its nearly impossible to kill them before, so they can delay a game they would have lost on level 17 by like 30-40 minutes or win it with a super long save, because they know they can't die if the merc builds enough for levels they might die with a send.
4. It sounds like nearly everyone hates merc, when talking about it in a game.

What do you think about mercenary on mega bot, should the rules be changed?

[Mercy]

I think it should be left alone. There are times when it's a viable option, I.E. if you can't recover. Since we've banned leaving after 25, it's not really going to be adjusted past that. It's banned already on 1v1 and 1200+. If you want to play without merc/cross, etc, build up your ELO and go on 1200 bot.

[iTwinkLyfe]

1200+ elo is probably your best bet.

[Uryn]

I play both 1200+ and mega, because solo and cross is fun for me.

Mariah, I see that point, if most players want to keep the option to recover with merc I'm fine with that. My main problem are the incomers that can switch to merc any time. Is there a good reason to not make a rule to ban it for incomers?

I did not make this poll just because I don't like merc, I made it because of the discussion in the LTD forum and I think if most players would like something changed it should be changed.

[supersexyy]

Ban on all. 99% people use for tactical reasons. 1% to recover.

[Mercy]

There's also the argument that the valuer, god forbid, loses his footing and starts to not hold- there's the other reason merc would be an option. of course, this would be later game so 500 value is accommodating, but, I suppose if in normal circumstances, I'd like to see merc gone.

[CreativeLP]

Since we play for Elo on Mega and Mega Euro Bot people will always try to abuse everything to make it a win.
Banning merc for incomer in cross is a first step, banning merc in general would be the best temporary solution until 3.41 rmk makes it to the bots, where merc has been erased.
To support my argument I have this replay where enemy had a cross and we literally raped them early on, the lvl 17 was a sure win when their incomer (a 1600 elo player) picked merc to hold 17 which made them survive with using 4 heals, so this is how some people keep gaining elo, it is very toxic to the community that tries to play fair, they always get disadvantages out of this.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=6252502

[RadiantCrystal]

Simply, no. If you want a no merc bot, use the 1200+ If you can't get 1200 elo, then you shouldn't be playing the 1200+ bot anyway and stack with mega bot. Very simple. Unless map is being updated, I don't see a reason to change the rules with mercs.

[Uryn]

I still would like to hear a good reason why merc for incomers in cross should not be banned. "There is a 1200+ bot without merc" is just not a reason for that.

[RadiantCrystal]

@Uryn I stopped reading after I read your first argument
1. Merc is just better than any other builder.

this is untrue because Merc is not just better than any other builder. Enough said. If you don't know how to beat it, that just shows you need to improve your game skills

But really your arguements:
4. It sounds like nearly everyone hates merc, when talking about it in a game.
if you want an argument to be valid, you need to be objective, not just throwing in oh so people hate it so we should ban it.

I will not comment on 2 and 3 but I think I made my point clear enough

[supersexyy]

Merc is clearly better than other builders hence why it is banned on 1200 and lihl.

[HazarDous]

There's also the argument that the valuer, god forbid, loses his footing and starts to not hold- there's the other reason merc would be an option. of course, this would be later game so 500 value is accommodating, but, I suppose if in normal circumstances, I'd like to see merc gone.

Exactly my opinion. Merc is a good thing for both new and medium players. If you're new and fail miserably to keep up with the game, it's a good thing you can hook up on merc. You would still learn while not causing the game to your teammates. For medium players it gives an extra challenge to win the game and they have to come up with initiatives.

I don't believe merc is that OP myself, sure it's good but it has its downfalls.

Now if you play the game to go merc everytime, that's a different story and not very enjoyable for other players.

Anyway, 1200+ really is the solution if you don't want to play with mercs.

[HazarDous]

Merc is clearly better than other builders hence why it is banned on 1200 and lihl.

It also requires alot less skills and it makes every games look alike.

[RadiantCrystal]

Merc is clearly better than other builders hence why it is banned on 1200 and lihl.

I think merc is banned in lihl not because of its op abilities but the skills that take to play it, which unfortunately almost zero. For a league aimed at skill and perfection, it is only just to ban it. Mega/euro is a different story.

[supersexyy]

Merc takes skill to perfect. You just don't realise it because any noob can play merc and still do well because its so op.