Suggestions to improve LIHL

[Dong]

@Miyagi What i meant was kinda, that, i see no reason for it to be mandatory, especially not, when we have the DC/elo punishment system...

[V1rus]

@Miyagi What i meant was kinda, that, i see no reason for it to be mandatory, especially not, when we have the DC/elo punishment system...

well our goal is not to punish people with elo etc. but to have games that are enjoyable for everybody. Personally i never appreciate it if somebody dc's (even if I am losing). That's not the spirit of the game/ this league.

[Dong]

@Miyagi What i meant was kinda, that, i see no reason for it to be mandatory, especially not, when we have the DC/elo punishment system...

well our goal is not to punish people with elo etc. but to have games that are enjoyable for everybody. Personally i never appreciate it if somebody dc's (even if I am losing). That's not the spirit of the game/ this league.

But my Friend, you have to agree with me, that at least 80% of the people that DC, are players that uses Gproxy...

And imo, Gproxy should be a option/tool, that players should have the freedom themselves to choose wether or not they want to use/can use.

i am against it being mandatory, that is all i am saying

[V1rus]

well 80% is mb a little too high but i agree... a lot people dc even if gproxy.

ofc you have the freedom to have your own opinion but if something reduces dc's, thus makes the game more enjoyable for the community, I think it can be mandatory. Furthermore you don't (or at least I don't) have any disadvantage by using this tool.

So i don't understand the big - of gproxy. if you have problems installing it > go to technical support, they will help you if the guides aren't enough.

[Dong]

well 80% is mb a little too high but i agree... a lot people dc even if gproxy.

ofc you have the freedom to have your own opinion but if something reduces dc's, thus makes the game more enjoyable for the community, I think it can be mandatory. Furthermore you don't (or at least I don't) have any disadvantage by using this tool.

So i don't understand the big - of gproxy. if you have problems installing it > go to technical support, they will help you if the guides aren't enough.

Let me make it clear. Impossible for me to use Gproxy, from where i play. Don't want to go in deep details.

and on the other hand, just go make it mandatory if you want.. i really don't care, when you can't penetrate people's thick skulls, with reasonable arguements.

i will never use it, and you never notice me not using it cause i never DC.. But Mandatory IMO, is insane. Let's just leave this discussion here as it is, and see what the end result will be

[Miyagi]

well 80% is mb a little too high but i agree... a lot people dc even if gproxy.

ofc you have the freedom to have your own opinion but if something reduces dc's, thus makes the game more enjoyable for the community, I think it can be mandatory. Furthermore you don't (or at least I don't) have any disadvantage by using this tool.

So i don't understand the big - of gproxy. if you have problems installing it > go to technical support, they will help you if the guides aren't enough.

Let me make it clear. Impossible for me to use Gproxy, from where i play. Don't want to go in deep details.

and on the other hand, just go make it mandatory if you want.. i really don't care, when you can't penetrate people's thick skulls, with reasonable arguements.

i will never use it, and you never notice me not using it cause i never DC.. But Mandatory IMO, is insane. Let's just leave this discussion here as it is, and see what the end result will be

Like mentioned in this topic, those players that are not able to install Gproxy can be "whitelisted".

Having a utility that allows people to reconnect if they lose connection, is far from being insane, it's not like it has a bitcoin miner implemented into it..

The amount of times I have seen people reconnect through Gproxy is too much of an advantage not to have, without Gproxy, the processed cases for DC Pen's will be substantially more.

And I believe, 80% of the league already uses Gproxy, so having it set to mandatory isn't going to cause an uproar, I don't know why you are making a big fuss about it.

[V1rus]

I agree with miyagi's points. If you have a unsolvable problem with gproxy and you, as you said, *never dc anyway* i dont see a reason why u shouldnt be whitelisted if this rule would be enforced.

in the mean time. lets see how this poll turns out.

[nabo.]

@v1rus

you wanted my opinion:

In general, I think all can agree that gproxy is capable of reconnecting you, therefore, it is good to have it for everyone's sake.
Gproxy works for most people, but not for all. For some people, it is incompatible. For some other people, it just doesnt work. So, it is reasonable for these people to not use it. I think those who voted no, voted so because they are afraid they can no longer play lihl games. But remember, the reason for making gproxy mandatory is not to remove players, but to decrease player disconnected games.

The point to note is that ALL would want to install gproxy, especially those who sometimes or often disconnect, since it actually helps you stay in your game. No one wants to disconnect and get dc penalty.

If someone dcs, he gets penalized with a loss equivalent -ve elo and all others get the +ve elo for playing the game.

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Imo, make it mandatory and excuse those who can give a reasonable explanation why he/she cannot use gproxy. Staff can make a list as we deal with appeals, but note that only those who actually disconnect often will matter.
Even if it is not mandatory, all should want to install it anyway...so I dont really see a problem either way.

[Krayyzie]

I can just speak from personal usage of gproxy. I use it as a stanard when i open wc3, however, as you know I disconnect from battlenet for some reason pretty much every single game, and sometimes before games, however I never disconnect from games(with or without gproxy).
But for some reason when i disconnect from bnet. I cant rejoin battlenet with gproxy for 10 mins - a few hours, then it works again. And there are days when its just not possible to connect at all with gproxy.

So, in overall, I never disconnect, however a rule like this would probably make me play less games, and im sure there are other gproxy users that might be in the same situation?

[Diablo_]

@krayyzie
https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=64915
this will do it, repeat it if it doesn't work on the first try.

[nabo.]

Not sure if we will make Gproxy mandatory yet, but for now, added question on vouch request format:

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[b]Do you have Gproxy installed?[/b]

If applicant's answer is "no", mods should encourage installation and usage of Gproxy ofc.

[pewpew lasergun]

it is not a flawless tool, and as such you cannot make it mandatory.

if gproxy refuses to work for one player even after flushing and rebooting, what is he to do to beside not play.

maybe @nabo. ask uakf to make a new version of gproxy, he is admin of ghost++ forum
https://www.ghostpp.com/forum/index.php

then we can make ghost++ refuse connection to players without gproxy.

gproxygui_v1.1.zip
December 15, 2013,
https://www.ghostpp.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.0

[nabo.]

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maybe @nabo. ask uakf to make a new version of gproxy, he is admin of ghost++ forum
https://www.ghostpp.com/forum/index.php

then we can make ghost++ refuse connection to players without gproxy.
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Some ppl cant get gproxy to work, so no.

Alternative suggestion will be implemented: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=166&t=68276