ltd leave autoban

[nabo.]

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=166&t=68787

We have made it so autoban only applies to first leaver (have not confirmed whether its 1st or 1st two yet).

I want to know if you guys think autoban should be flat 2 days instead of based on stay/leave stats.

[Hatedmaru]

Hmm would we consider leaving in equal to disconnect/lagged out/econ reset/etc ? I'm saying this cause banning leavers for 2 days sounds reasonable (Example: Titan leavers are banned for 2 days), however when people notice this, i can sense some pull plug incoming to avoid the 2 days ban, and judging whether a pull plug is intentional might not be so straight forward in some cases - We can always check past history and see if the user has history of disconnecting frequently, when he disconnects was he losing, etc, but meh.

Overall i agree with it, The impact of a leaver on legion TD is high (Winning a 4vs5 DotA game is not the same trying to play 3vs4 on LTD), and 2 days might start making people consider to play the game instead of going with the thought "If i quit now, ill prolly get banned for a few hours due to my good stay %".

However the downside would be mutiple leaving violations - There's always those leavers that keep leaving games, over and over again, and instead of longer bans, they will have a standard 2 days, still i woulnd't mind "sacrificing" a longer ban for these bobos in order to have the majority of the community playing till the end, instead of leaving.

[nabo.]

Leave = dc = pp = rq imo. Same impact to game, just that we may give benefit of doubt to people who seem to have experienced technical difficulties. Those who dc and get autobanned can appeal.

Even if people do leave often, the ban usually does not go over 5 days.

2 days seems appropriate for most cases. Or, make autoban more harsher for ltd since we are talking about first leaver only.

[aRt)Y]

Why would you want to remove the ban duration with multiple factors? What's the difference/purpose?

[Haunt]

Can't we have autoban for LTD start from 2 days and then increase if you leave often?

[nabo.]

Why would you want to remove the ban duration with multiple factors? What's the difference/purpose?

Unless you disconnect or leave often enough within few days or a week, your autoban duration is usually not that long.

Since LTD gets heavily imbalanced when there is a leaver, games should be drawn for most cases imo. But, this cannot happen since people would abuse autodraw. So, I would like the first leaver's autoban to be 2 days, so players dont leave games as easily as they may do now.

Can't we have autoban for LTD start from 2 days and then increase if you leave often?

dunno, but probably.

[KinG23]

I support the idea of a two day ban for the first voluntary leaver in LTD games. This will prevent more people from leaving due to bad rolls or teammates not crossing, etc. My exception to this is if their autobanex is longer than 2 days, in which case the autobanex system should override.

Example: User123 leaves a LTD game, and has a 65% stay rate. Assume the current autoban system bans for 3 days for this leave, but we have all voluntary leavers getting a 2 day ban. The bot would then recognize to enforce the 3 day ban since it exceeds the standard 2 day ban. This system would in effect have the first voluntary leaver getting a minimum of a 2 day ban.

However, I view voluntary leavers and disconnects as different, instead of lumping them into one category. Someone with 200 games played and a 95% stay rate should not be getting a 2 day ban for a disconnect. So, for those that disconnect, I like the current autobanex system in place.

[aRt)Y]

And then we've legitimate players discing and getting 2 days when they should get 2hrs?

[KinG23]

And then we've legitimate players discing and getting 2 days when they should get 2hrs?

Which is why I suggest we lump disconnects and voluntary leavers into two different categories.

Another idea which would require no bot programming (easiest fix for us) is that we modify the rules to have users submit the first voluntary leaver on a ban request, in which case they would receive the two day leaver ban, the same way ID players submit Titan for leaving.

[nabo.]

And then we've legitimate players discing and getting 2 days when they should get 2hrs?

Wont know if they dc or pp. Impact to the game is same. If game does not get drawn, game is probably lost for the -1 teammate side. They can appeal and a mod decide.

[aRt)Y]

I meant the players who leave (2 days) and those who disc (2hrs) as an example.

[nabo.]

Still the same for me. Impact to the game is same, but only difference is whether it should be appealable or not.

If this is too harsh (not fair to go through appeal process) to those who may dc with legit reasons, at least make it so 2 days autoban is applied to voluntarily leavers throughout ent games?

[aRt)Y]

Well, basically any ban is appeal-able. If we would make an exception here, it would also have to apply to DotA and pretty much any other game.

I would agree with King's suggestion though to differ between rq (2d) and disc/plug (auto).

[nabo.]

I would agree with King's suggestion though to differ between rq (2d) and disc/plug (auto).

Thats fine. @uakf.b

[KinG23]

While we wait for finalizations on the Mega/Beta bots, can we implement the 2 day ban in the rules now for leavers in 1200+ for those that get reported? (Same way Titan leavers get reported/banned until the 2 day ban is automated for LTD).

As of recently, more rage quit leavers seem to be arising in 1200+, another one here. The other team was nice enough to draw for this.

https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=71729